Lowry played for $5.75mil/yr here in Houston. Dragic played for <$2mil/yr here in Houston. Both had better raw stats, PERs, and Regression Adjusted Plus-Minuses than any of the year Jeremy Lin had in Houston. And Rockets fans say Lin's salary is $8mil/yr. Only LOFs use the $5mil excuse to make his salary seem lower. And the $15mil is only brought up because his trade value plummets even further due to this provision.
Good. People may ask what is the value of Howard if this team were knocked out in the first round. Indeed people here just expect this team to have a good fight against Spurs which means a 2nd round exit will be acceptable! Low expectation on everything except Lin!
It's hard to set a number for the value of each pick. But you can look at some examples happened before. This one is pretty famous in 2011. The Clippers traded away their possible top 10 pick that year (ended up with the 8th position in that lottery) together with Barron Davis (28 mils for next 2 years left plus the balance of the season) in Feb 2011 to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Mo Williams (8.5 mils for next 2 years but with player option that he can opt out). Basically, considering the value of the players and their contract situation at that time (Barron Davis was a trash at that time), the Cleveland Cavaliers paid about 30 mils to get a possible top 10 lottery pick from this trade. Of course, the funniest part in that year's draft is this : Kyrie Irving was selected first by the Cleveland Cavaliers, and the first pick of the draft actually came from that Clippers pick they bought - No. 8th pick that won the lottery with 2.8% of chance.
Lets not go overboard. Lin only counts against the cap for 8 million, and his deal is for only one more season. He is also a rotation quality player. I agree that the Rockets have to give up a #1 pick, and possibly more to move him because he is due 15 million next season, and teams know that if the Rockets move him, it means an elite player is close to becoming a Rocket. I also agree with those saying not to trade him unless we have someone else going our way. For what it is worth, I suspect that the Knicks would rather absorb Lin's contract and keep the draft picks for themselves. The Knicks can easily absorb his salary. It makes the most sense for the Knicks to take Asik, Lin, Jones and a #1 for Anthony. The Knicks can then spin Asik for another #1 pick and ultimately end up with Terrance Jones and 2 #1's for Anthony.
What does this mean? For the most part, Rockets fans have a VERY low expectation about Lin. At this point, most of us are just simply hoping that he does NOT hurt us in the playoffs. We all wish he will do well as Rockets fans, but we have to be realistic. Ideally Lin does well enough to push up his trade value to where we can trade him for something useful as opposed to being forced to give up something just to find someone to take his contract. If we can't we will simply have to keep him until the end of next season.
What world do you live in? #1 Lin gets almost 30 minutes a game. #2 Lin is not remotely close to 20 points a game, he averages 12 points. #3 Lin is nothing like Steve Nash. He lacks the court vision, passing ability or ability to control the tempo like Nash. Here is a lesson for you...... just because you want something to be true, does not make it true.
Yeah, the only guy on the Kings who could actually play the pnr was Vasquez and he ended up getting traded. Kings's offense requires a scoring PG who can make the entry pass to Cousins and let him post-up, not a 1 who needs to play the pnr to be effective. Lin wouldn't fit. I'm a Laker fan and I think Kendall Marshall was the biggest steal out the D league but Lin is way better than him. Marshall has only one skill - passing. He plays zero D, he's too slow to run in transition, can't attack bigs, and only shoots if his defender gives him 4 feet of space because he releases too low. Lakers are keeping him because they have his team option for cheap and they're gonna suck anyway without getting another allstar, not because they actually have plans for him.
what do teams care more about? cap hit, or actually salary paid? If cap hit, then lin's 8mil isn't all that bad. he was an 8mil player last year - starting pg, avg 13 and 6 which included a bad stretch early in the season coming back from injury. this year, he's not a 8mil player since you don't pay backup pg 8mil year. he CAN be on another team, but not this one. when healthy, i don't think he has regressed from last year (shooting better, high TS..) so no reason to think 8mil is a bad cap hit for lin. but if teams care more about actual salary paid, then he's pretty much here for the next season. there is just no way he can play up to $15mil. $15mil on the rockets is not bad, since they most of it is deferred payment from the previous two years. but on another team, without the benefit of $5mil/yr for the previous two years, $15mil is horrible. so again, depends on which team is actually interested and what they value. some deep pocket teams may not care about paying out $15mil for 8mil of production.
LOFs are hilarious. He has no trade value . No amount of excuses will change that. Seriously, I'd love to here one rational explanation as to why a team would trade for him. Nobody wants Lin; including his own team
What's hilarious is that last year and this year, people who loved to slam Lin said that he was being paid $8 million, which I think is an accurate statement because in the end, it's the cap hit that really counts for a team. But we've already started to hear the exact same people who used his cap number before, as opposed to actual salary, claim that he's a vastly overpaid $15 MILLION player next year who's a poison contract and will personally bankrupt the Rockets. Funny how these people didn't praise him for being a solid $5 million player last year or this, but suddenly, he's a $15 million player next year. The hypocrisy!
Different scenarios, but that's probably too much for some LoF's to comprehend. If we are looking at his contract as a whole then yes, he is overpaid for what he brings to the table for the ROCKETS. If we are talking about Jeremy Lin the asset heading into next season, he is atrocious value due to the balloon payment. If we are talking about this season's $5M, then he provided great value. The thing is, we are not talking about this year's Lin, but next year's "Lin the asset". It is INEVITABLE that Lin is leaving the Rockets. The question becomes how. Currently, he has negative value going into next season in that most of us think no one wants him due to the $15M balloon payment. From this standpoint, Lin is an incredibly horrible asset that no one wants. Contrary to what LoF's may think, I highly doubt GM's will be willing to stomach Lin's $15M hit regardless of the fact that he has a $8M salary cap hit. Lin is no where near good enough to justify swallowing $7M for even a single season.
Absolutely nobody, even Lin's fans, defended him as a "great value" $5 million player last year or this year. The real debate was whether he was worth it as an $8 million player, which is why names like Jose Calderon and George Hill and Rodney Stuckey were thrown around as the typical $8ish million PG. If people didn't praise Lin as decent value in his first 2 years (and they didn't) as a $5 million player, it's atrociously dishonest to attack him as a $15 million contract poison in his third year.
I have personally defended his $8M salary cap hit before this season, saying that it seemed well in line with a starting PG salary. For a 8th man role though, he is overpaid as far as I am concerned. I strongly disagree that it is dishonest. It is a FACT that he has a balloon payment of $15M. It is also a FACT that this balloon payment makes Lin an unappealing asset heading into next season. If Asik couldn't garner interest for a fair trade, you honestly think that Lin, a MUCH LOWER VALUED ASSET can garner anything useful in return?
Didn't say the trades thread so will post here. Jeremy Lin for Steve Nash. With Dirk committing to sign with us if we bring Steve over. Boom!
