Lin without a ball dominant teammate

Great post, Nothing new here to me I tell poster here all the time that talk about all these other guards dragic, lillard, Lowry who have they keys to their team and are in a pick and roll offense very play. Those guys get screens pretty much every play. Lin most of the time doesn't even get screens and he still finds a way to get to the rim at #2 % finishing in the NBA !!! guys stand around on the 3point line here in Houston and watch guards attack "mchales offense" WE CANT COMPARE THEM TO LIN unless you compare the games harden doesn't play with him. Lin will average at the minimum 16points / 7 assist without a ball dominant player and in a pick and roll offense. I willing to bet whatever to anybody that thinks other wise.

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Best thing to do with lins contract since him and harden have the same skills set is to trade him for a better 3&d guy. The 6th man role does not happen here because mchale plays read & react even when harden is not on the floor. Parsons, jones, bev, casspi still play PG at times and that's fine, but there is no reason to keep a guy and pay him 8mill if we can't use him to his strengths.

 

And this is another thing, it doesn't need to be a CRAP team. You can put him in any offense that run pick & roll with bigs that can shoot a jumper or roll hard to the rim and he will go 16/7. It's not about Lin scoring a lot of points he can make the team better also. He doesn't have to be HARDEN he can be a solid PG, theirs a big difference.


He likes to make risky passes that lead to turnovers but all guards do. That would stop once he has a defined consistent roll and builds chemistry with his teammates. He's an aggressive guard that's one of his strengths

 

New york knicks was basically a crap team when lin was running the show. His teammates was novak n landry fields who are now an afterthought in raptors, jared jeffries who is now retired, amare n carmelo were injured.

Lets trade harden to milwaukee n see if he can average like he did in okc or rockets.

 

Nobody in this thread make any claims that Lin is better than Harden. You're missing the point of this discussion.

 

Why wouldn't Harden be able to average in Milwaukee what he has in Houston?

 

The problem seems to be that Lin not performing is always someone else's fault, Harden, Mchale, Howard, Beverley, Morey, Sampson, the milk man, the janitor, Drexler, you name it, it's their fault, never Jeremy's.

Jeremy is wildly inconsistent, based on a couple key weaknesses, it's not unlike Jamal Crawford, when he's on, he can kill teams, but when he's off, he can kill his own team just as fast, and you never really know which Lin you're going to get.

 

Trade Harden.

 

How about Harden play SG and Lin play PG?

 

It's always someone else's fault. And never Jeremy's.

It's always Jeremy's fault. And never anyone else.

IMO, both are not true. And what's true is the only real solution is always only in Jeremy's hand.

 

You are assuming that Lin is in total control of his play . He is not.

 

Jeremy has a boss. Players must do what the coach tells them to do. When I played HS BBALL no one could deviate fron the game plan. Who should shoot, who should handle the ball, what plays to run, who should be aggressive. When Lin goes to the weak side and stays there he is told to do so, It's not his choice. Lin has always been very aggressive when left to his own choice. He became passive in NY when Melo came back. Melo said in a TV interview that he distributes the ball, he will bring the ball up. its happening now with the structure of this team.

 

For the benefits of the team and Lin, McHale must learn how to use Lin probably.
I don't how he's going to do it but if he can't figure it out then trade the kid.

 

Lin should come in strong with the 2nd unit and take charge like he showed tonight.

 

Tough to do because Lin shares quite a few minutes with Harden on the floor....best solution to be honest is let Lin be the Lin at the beginning of the season where all he did was Attack and pass less. I feel that Lin is the best Lin on this team. If he tries to pass only and not attack, he will turn it over. He needs to attack first and then pass if there is an opportunity.

 

He barely really does anything with the second unit, and plays the SG with Harden playing 35+ minutes.

 

Yeah, that's my problem with the 6th Man argument. Even when it's him and Bev on the floor without Harden, Lin still isn't consistently the primary playmaker.

 

The onus here is on Lin. It's all in his head. He should be awesome Asa sixth man, like he was early in the season. But he's just so passive at times... At times. It's like there are two different Lins. Linsanity... Which we still see occasionally and Lindissapear... Which we see too often.

Even when playing with Harden, there's no reason Lin can't be aggressive. There's plenty of opportunities out there... Plenty of times where Harden defers, too.

Lin's playmaking ability is a little overrated even during Linsanity. Great scorer... Gets the assists... But turnovers are out of control. Seriously out of control. He needs to come in and look to score. Only make enough passing plays to keep the defense honest. I've seen Lin pass up way too many open jumpers in the lane since he's being hesitant, maybe trying to find Dwight on a roll or something. Then when he finally does shoot it, it's a hesitant shot... Maybe short.

The jumper he hit at the end of the game off the glass last night is a good exAmple of him doing it right. No hesitation. Open enough. Shoot, hit.

He doesn't have Tony Parker's speed or overall game, but I think that should be his model. A better scorer than assist man. Great at getting in the lane in his own way. But a better 3 point shooter.

 

Turnovers happen, look at wall 5TO 5assist last night 6/19
Curry 6TO 4assist 8/23

And both players will be allstar people speak highly of them, people also rave about curry as a playmaker this year when he averages the most TO in the nba dude has had 7-11 TOs a game plenty of times this year "ALL STAR STARTER"

Harden turns it over a lot also. Young players tend to this.

Parker, Conley, CP3, Dragic on the other hand don't TO that much because they have experience.

Lin for some reason is held to a higher standard where he has to hit 3s, finish perfect, play good D, get assist & not turn the ball over. That's 1st team all NBA numbers if he could do that. A set role & Chemistry with a certain unit will lower TOs because you have an understanding of how guys play
Around you. That's part of being a PG.

 

Also explains why Lowry exploded after Gay was traded.

 

Omri Jordan eh? but on a more serious note, most of the players are looking to be playmakers from time to time, there are plenty of times when Lin just meekly passes it off when its set up for him to try to do something. He was really good early in the season when he averaged something like 18 and 4, but it was almost like he himself became acutely aware of those assist numbers and started to try and be something he isn't again.