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Lieberman: "There is no humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mathloom, May 30, 2010.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    That's odd.. Then what a coincidence that:

    I'm not totally on board with the flotilla idea. But to say that there is not a humanitarian crisis in Gaza is ridiculous. There is a humanitarian crisis, regardless of whether he thinks it's a small or large one.

    I would think Israeli leadership would be against confining a group of people (perhaps all of one race) to one place, economically and physically, and watching their health deteriorate through a variety of diseases, birth defects, malnutrition, etc while their economy/wealth simultaneously collapses.

    Is this kind of thing justified in specific conditions? What are those conditions (if any)?
     
  2. Rocketman1981

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    I don't care much for these Arab countries and their problems. Most of these regimes steal and are totalitarian and then blame the US and Israel for their problems. Their incestual governments are anti-darwinian and that leaves thei populace and economy in shambles.

    But it always concerns me that many US politicians are so obsessed and aligned with Israel. They continually talk about solidarity with Israel and we give billions annually. I think it is Treason that many US politicians seem to value issues more beneficial to Israel at the expense of US global reputation, economy and soverignty.
     
  3. saitou

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    In the case of Palestine though, US aid and arms sales to Israel directly enable Israel to do what they do to Palestinians.
     
  4. Mathloom

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    Steal what?
     
  5. farrisdabis

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    There is no dictator in Palestine. They barely even have a government.
     
  6. Mathloom

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    What almost brought me to tears today is that, if you want to give charity, then you have to consider whether you want to be called a terrorist the rest of your life because the only way to give charity is directly or indirectly through Hamas or Fatah.

    How many people have been caught, arrested, deported, etc, for indirectly contributing to charities linked to Hamas?

    Essentially, it's a trade-off between helping these people and being labelled a supporter of terrorists.

    I asked if I could send 200 video cameras to Palestine and just give them away as gifts. I was told "don't be stupid, you can't even really send blankets".

    Awesome.
     
  7. thadeus

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    Lieberman is a piece of ****ing **** and I sincerely hope he gets assassinated.
     
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  8. geeimsobored

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    I dont like him either but that seems like a bit much. :eek:
     
  9. Mathloom

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    Chill dude. I understand you may be frustrated, but enough violence. We're all tired of the violence.
     
  10. thadeus

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    Really, it's not enough.... get rid of one and another piece of **** is ready to sit in his place.
     
  11. pippendagimp

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    It'd be so cool if HRH David de Rothschild just went off course right now and piloted his Plastiki towards the Mediterranean in a brave show of defense against the Flotilla's "violent propaganda against Israel." CNN Breaking News would be all over that shhh like a fat kid on reese's pieces
     
  12. glynch

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    the only consolation is that Israel is winning every battle but losing the war. They are just looking more and more like Apartheid bullies and that cannot win out in the log run. It is sad to see the Palestinians suffer till Zionism is defeated and all the folks, Jews, Muslims and Christians can live in the area as equals.
     
  13. LosPollosHermanos

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    the funny thing is , inside all of us know they are going to lose Israel with the way they are acting. Its inevitable. They are playing the scared. There is no means for justifying their oppression.

    And liberman is a piece of **** btw. We all know that.
     
  14. Refman

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    I would love nothing more than to see peace and harmony in the Holy Land.

    I seriously doubt that it will ever happen. You have these groups that have been fighting for 2000 years. 2000 years from now they will still be fighting.
     
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    For those too lazy to click the link above, posted it below. Can't believe someone died over this, wonder what the story is behind it.


    Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla, 2 dead

    HAIFA, Israel – Israeli warships attacked at least one of six ships carrying pro-Palestinian activists and aid for the blockaded Gaza Strip, killing at least two and wounding an unknown number of people on board, an Arabic satellite news channel and a Turkish TV network reported early Monday.

    The Israeli military spokesman's office denied that its forces attacked the boats but said they would enforce the decision to keep them away from Gaza.

    However, other security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to report on the military operation, confirmed that activists were wounded, but did not give numbers.

    They said the troops faced resistance and that soldiers were under orders only to use fire if their lives were in danger.

    The al-Jazeera satellite channel reported by telephone from the Turkish ship leading the flotilla that Israeli navy forces fired at the ship and boarded it, wounding the captain. The Turkish NTV network also reported an Israeli takeover with gunfire, and that at least two people were killed.

    The al-Jazeera broadcast ended with a voice shouting in Hebrew, "Everybody shut up!"

    A Turkish website showed video of pandemonium on board one of the ships, with activists in orange life jackets running around as some tried to help an activist apparently unconscious on the deck. The site also showed video of an Israeli helicopter flying overhead and Israeli warships nearby.

    The reports came just after daybreak, with the flotilla still well away from the Gaza shore. Israel had declared it would not allow the ships to reach Gaza.

    Al-Jazeera footage showed soldiers descending from helicopters on ropes onto a ship and two men, apparently wounded, being carried away.

    A violent takeover would deal yet another blow to Israel's international standing, already tarnished by war crimes accusations in Gaza and its three-year-old blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory.

    Greek activists said people on board one of the ships in the flotilla told them that Israeli forces boarded two other boats — one Greek, another Turkish — from helicopters and inflatable speedboats and took them over.

    They said the attack took place in international waters 80 miles (128 kilometers) from the Gaza coast and that the boat had refused to obey the Israeli navy's orders to halt.

    Shortly after, activists on board the ship told them that Israeli commandos had boarded the Greek boat and that the last words they heard before the connection was cut were, "They're boarding the ship using hooks, we're under arrest."

    The head of the Gaza Hamas government, Ismail Haniyeh, condemned the "brutal" Israeli attack.

    "We call on the Secretary-General of the U.N., Ban Ki-moon, to shoulder his responsibilities to protect the safety of the solidarity groups who were on board these ships and to secure their way to Gaza," Haniyeh told The Associated Press.

    Turkish television stations said police blocked dozens of stone-throwing protesters who tried to storm the Israeli consulate in Istanbul. The CNN-Turk and NTV televisions showed dozens of angry protesters scuffling with Turkish police and shouting, "Damn Israel."

    On Sunday, Huwaida Arraf, one of the organizers, said the six-ship flotilla began the journey from international waters off the coast of Cyprus on Sunday afternoon after two days of delays. She said they expected to reach Gaza, about 250 miles (400 kilometers) away, on Monday afternoon, and that two more ships would follow in "a second wave."

    The flotilla was "fully prepared for the different scenarios" that might arise, and organizers were hopeful that Israeli authorities would "do what's right" and not stop the convoy, she said.

    "We fully intend to go to Gaza regardless of any intimidation or threats of violence against us," she said. "They are going to have to forcefully stop us."

    After nightfall Sunday, three Israeli navy missile boats left their base in Haifa, steaming out to sea to confront the activists' ships.

    Two hours later, Israel Radio broadcast a recording of one of the missile boats warning the flotilla not to approach Gaza.

    "If you ignore this order and enter the blockaded area, the Israeli navy will be forced to take all the necessary measures in order to enforce this blockade," the radio message continued.

    Al-Jazeera also reported that the ships changed course to try to avoid a nighttime confrontation, preferring a daylight showdown for better publicity.

    The flotilla, which includes three cargo ships and three passenger ships, is trying to draw attention to Israel's blockade of Gaza. The boats are carrying items that Israel bars from reaching Gaza, like cement and other building materials. The activists said they also were carrying hundreds of electric-powered wheelchairs, prefabricated homes and water purifiers.

    Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said that after a security check, permitted humanitarian aid confiscated from the boats will be transferred to Gaza through authorized channels. However, Israel would not transfer items it has banned from Gaza under its blockade rules. Palmor said that for example, cement would be allowed only if it is tied to a specific project.

    This is the ninth time that the Free Gaza movement has tried to ship in humanitarian aid to Gaza since August 2008.

    Israel has let ships through five times, but has blocked them from entering Gaza waters since a three-week military offensive against Gaza's Hamas rulers in January 2009. The flotilla bound for Gaza is the largest to date.

    Some 700 pro-Palestinian activists are on the boats, including 1976 Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire of Northern Ireland, European legislators and an elderly Holocaust survivor.

    The mission has experienced repeated delays, both due to mechanical problems and a decision by Cyprus to bar any boat from sailing from its shore to Gaza. The ban forced a group of European lawmakers to depart from the breakaway Turkish Cypriot northern part of the island late Saturday.

    Israel and Egypt imposed the blockade on Gaza after Hamas militants violently seized control of the seaside territory in June 2007.

    Israel says the measures are needed to prevent Hamas, which has fired thousands of rockets at Israel, from building up its arsenal. But U.N. officials and international aid groups say the blockade has been counterproductive, failing to weaken the Islamic militant group while devastating the local economy.

    In particular, the ban on building materials has prevented Gazans from repairing thousands of homes that were damaged or destroyed in an Israeli military offensive, meant to stop Hamas rocket attacks, early last year.

    Israel rejects claims of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, saying it allows more than enough food and medicine into the territory. The Israelis also point to the bustling smuggling industry along Gaza's southern border with Egypt, which has managed to bring consumer goods, gasoline and livestock into the seaside strip.
     
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    It's all for one thing...

    Al Aqsa
     
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    Israeli news confirm at least 16 aboard the aid ships were killed by Israeli commandos.

    :(
     
  19. Mathloom

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    That's a false and convenient way out of reality.

    First of all, Al Aqsa did not exist during the Prophet's life or real/dream journey. It was the temple mount and, apparently, either a church or a synagogue (maybe both?). Point being, the actual mosque has no significance in the birth of Islam.

    All the same because the image that CNN broadcasts as "Al Aqsa Mosque" is wrong 95% of the time so you will never notice if it was gone.

    Second of all, it's really not anyone's business. I don't give a damn what religious reasons are behind it for either side as long as justice prevails for all the people involved. We can't take into consideration the Islamic side of things because it will lead to major problems. This should be solved in a secular manner, in a fair way, and as quickly as possible.

    How can we resign ourselves to the fact that Israelis are dying because of this? That Palestinians are dying at a rate of 10-to-1 vs Israelis?

    Do we really think that normal, regular, law-abiding citizens would agree to this kind of behavior except through some form of coercion or brainwash?

    It's insane. Only the settlers have met the Palestianians, and only the extremist Hamas/Fatah members have met the settlers. That's the frame of reference they have of each other... Oh, and television. Thanks media!
     
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  20. Mathloom

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    15 people shot dead for bringing cement to Gaza.

    I am not sure if he/she is one of the victims, but there is an elderly holocaust survivor among them.

    I figured they would confiscate the boat and take them to ashdod. Shooting 15 dead is unbelievable considering they had days to think about how to handle this.
     

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