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libertarian koch brothers support herman cain over libertarian ron paul

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  1. jo mama

    jo mama Contributing Member

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    im confused. why would the libertarian koch brothers support herman cain over libertarian ron paul?

    libertarians are supposed to be against the unchecked power of the federal reserve, but here the libertarian koch brothers are supporting a former fed chairman over the guy who wants to audit and control the fed.

    and if ron paul is the guy who wants to deregulate everything and whose presidency will result in a massive corporate raping then why arent they supporting him over cain?

    and why wouldnt the libertarian koch brothers support the libertarian paul, who believes the government should stay out of peoples personal lives when it comes to gay marriage, drugs, religion, ect? how can the libertarian koch brothers support cain, who is against gay marriage and legalization and who constantly insults the occupy wall street people?

     
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    how can the libertarian koch brothers support a candidate who supported TARP, said the stimulus didnt go far enough, is against an audit of the federal reserve, opposes abortion in all cases, opposes the right for gays to marry or serve openly in the military, believes muslims should not be allowed to serve in government, supports the banning of building mosques, supports continuing the wars in afghanistan and iraq, unconditional support for israel and a disdain for the wall street protestors.

    none of these are libertarian positions so how can the libertarian koch brothers endorse such a candidate?
     
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    #3 SamFisher, Oct 17, 2011
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    i stopped reading after the part that said "The Koch brothers have donated to various Ron Paul related campaigns." which campaigns have they donated to?

    EDIT: couldnt help myself - i scrolled down to the part that said "anti-TSA movement is really a front for koch brothers" - does anyone honestly believe that?

    good god - what a P.O.S. article.:rolleyes:
     
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    look at all the politicians the libertarian koch brothers support - thats a hell of alot of politicians, but the libertarian koch brothers did not donate anything to the most libertarian-minded candidate, ron paul.

    why is that?

    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000186

     
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    it's from a right wing blog - what do you expect? :confused: Of course it's a P.O.S.

    You asked why the libertarian Koch Bros & Paulistas are having a catfight, there's the answer. Not sure that anybody really cares that much ultimately.
     
    #6 SamFisher, Oct 17, 2011
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    I'm not sure why anyone is surprised? But I guess that's the point? meh.
     
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    Because there are two types of libetarians:

    The true believers and zealots who don't understand exactly how kooky the ideology is, and the greedy business types who live in the real world, understand how crazy it is, but use the kooks as a high-minded cover for their greed.
     
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    The Koch brothers aren't Libertarians. They are the basest of moneyed interests.
     
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    From SamFisher's link. Originally from Antiwar.com.

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    Because these guys aren't libertarians.
     
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  13. Mr. Clutch

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    Enough with the freaking Koch brothers already.
     
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    As I have pointed out ad nauseam the Koch Brothers have started some of the first big time libertarian think tanks like the Cato Institute while contributing extensively to conservative Republicans.. One of the Koch brothers ran for president on the Libertarian Party banner, the same banner Ron Paul has occaionally run on.

    The Kochs, and probably Ron Pau, too, realize that when it comes to economics there is no practical difference between the libertarians and the conservatives. Mr. anti-government Ron Paul probably demonstrates this by wanting the government to forbid Americans from having abortions if they freely choose to do so.

    The only persons who don't realize the practical identity of lberatarian and conservative GOP economics are the useful idiot working class, non 1% folks who support the economics for rich folks philosophy both groups espouse, which we see all to frequenty on this bbs.
     
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    The Kochs are true libertarians and the basest of moneyed interest simultaneously without essential contradiction in the real world, though an abstract utopian world argument can be made that there is some distinction..

    I do realize there are some misguided working class libertarians, just like misguided conservative working class Christians, who are not the "basest of moneyed interests" though they vote and espouse the same theories as those who do represent the "basest of money interest" do.
     
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    Probably because they sense that controlling Cain will be easier than controlling Paul.
     
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    <iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/-DrSEyjBj1w#t=0m38s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    So you're saying we've done enough Koch for now?
     
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  19. Mr. Clutch

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    Depends on how you pronounce it.
     
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    When has Ron Paul demonstrated that position? Was it his bill that would have limited the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court on the abortion question? Ron Paul has never supported forbidding Americans from having abortions if they freely choose to do so.

    And there is an enormous difference between conservatives and libertarians. You'd know that if you ever heard a libertarian and an conservative argue over civil liberties, border control, and foreign policy. Of course, I don't expect you to know that because the only time you ever post in this forum is when you make fallacious and untrue statements in favor of the utopia you can't even piece together a good argument for. (Lord knows I'd love to hear it.)
     
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