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LeBron "Vogue" Cover Racist?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Lil Pun, Mar 20, 2008.

  1. orbb

    orbb Contributing Member

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    i think the article says more about Hill's state of mind (which is f'd up in my opinion), than anything else. If you can draw an inference to King Kong from that magazine cover, you need to seek help, quickly.
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    Hill didn't come up with that, some blogger did. It is a footnote to the argument anyway.
     
  3. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

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    Because he was on drugs and deserved it.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    Working up to butterfly on the karma tree eh?
     
  5. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Contributing Member

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    People do think about these things, very true. But should people alter or stop what they do to appease "them"?

    I'd almost bet black women offended by Lebron with a pretty white girl in his arms is about the same percentage as those offended by Lebron's imagery. If he did the same thing but on Ebony magazine with Beyonce in his arms its okay?

    Uppity socialite white women aimed mag that doesnt know how to perceive or relate to black people, unfortunate but not really surprising.
     
  6. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Contributing Member

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    I'm on drugs now.
    Does that mean police are allowed to come in here and crack my head wide open?
     
  7. Lady_Di

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    ppl are so dumb! there's nothing racist with this cover.
     
  8. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

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    If you are on pcp, running lights stop signs a lead the police on a chase up to speeds of 110 to 115 mph and resist arrest, then absolutely. He didn't get beaten enough.

    Here is your hero:
    http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/lapd/kingarrests.html
     
  9. Beck

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    basso hates Jeremiah Wright...
     
  10. insane man

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    not according to our justice system and the constitution.
     
  11. Lil Pun

    Lil Pun Contributing Member

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    Another article...

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-voguecover&prov=ap&type=lgns

    NEW YORK - When Vogue announced its April cover starring LeBron James and Gisele Bundchen, the magazine noted with some fanfare that James was the first black man to grace its cover.

    But the image is stirring up controversy, with some commentators decrying the photo as perpetuating racial stereotypes. James strikes what some see as a gorilla-like pose, baring his teeth, with one hand dribbling a ball and the other around Bundchen’s tiny waist.

    It’s an image some have likened to “King Kong” and Fay Wray.

    “It conjures up this idea of a dangerous black man,” said Tamara Walker, 29, of Philadelphia.

    Photographer Annie Leibovitz shot the 6-foot-9 NBA star and the 5-foot-11 Brazilian model for the cover and an inside spread. Vogue spokesman Patrick O’Connell said the magazine “sought to celebrate two superstars at the top of their game” for the magazine’s annual issue devoted to size and shape.

    “We think Lebron James and Gisele Bundchen look beautiful together and we are honored to have them on the cover,” he said.

    James told The (Cleveland) Plain Dealer he was pleased with the cover, saying he was “just showing a little emotion.”

    “Everything my name is on is going to be criticized in a good way or bad way,” James told the paper. “Who cares what anyone says?”

    But magazine analyst Samir Husni believes the photo was deliberately provocative, adding that it “screams King Kong.” Considering Vogue’s influential history, he said, covers are not something that the magazine does in a rush.

    “So when you have a cover that reminds people of King Kong and brings those stereotypes to the front, black man wanting white woman, it’s not innocent,” he said.

    O’Connell, the Vogue spokesman, declined further comment.

    In a column at ESPN.com, Jemele Hill called the cover “memorable for all the wrong reasons.” But she said in an interview that the image is not unusual — white athletes are generally portrayed smiling or laughing, while black sports figures are given a “beastly sort of vibe.”

    For example, former NBA star Charles Barkley was depicted breaking free of neck and wrist shackles on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Dennis Rodman graced the cover of Rolling Stone with horns poking out of his forehead and his red tongue hanging out.

    Images of black male athletes as aggressive and threatening “reinforce the criminalization of black men,” said Damion Thomas, assistant professor in the Department of Kinesiology at University of Maryland.

    But others say the image show James’ game face — nothing more. And they note that Bundchen hardly looks frightened.

    “James is a huge, black beautiful masculine statue and Gisele is a feminine, sexy gorgeous doll,” said Christa Thomas, 36, a black account supervisor in Los Angeles.

    “I didn’t see any kind of racist overtone to it,” she said. “I still don’t. I think there is such a hypersensitivity to race still in this country.”

    Husni said it is too soon to know how the magazine is selling, though the controversy could increase sales as people rush out to get a “collector’s edition.”

    If nothing else, Walker said the cover underscores the need for a more diverse workplace.

    “If more people of color worked for Vogue in positions of editorial authority, perhaps someone in the room might have been able to read the image the way so many of us are reading it now, and had the power to do something about it,” she said.
     
  12. Lil Pun

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    Why did he not get beat enough? This is absurd thinking. The fact remains there are four officers there. There comes a point when you stop beating and finally restrain.
     
  13. MR. MEOWGI

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    There comes a point when you quit resisting unlesss you are on pcp and are an idiot. Then you get the crap beat out of you more. Just like when you invade a home you get shot. It's not that hard to understand.
     
  14. Apollo Creed

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    Except that it's not legal to beat someone just because they've pissed you off.
     
  15. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

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    Driving at speeds over 100 mph, running red lights on pcp and fighting cops etc is doing a lot more than just angering someone.

    Find another martyr please.
     
  16. Lil Pun

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    So how come all the people that I see get arrested on "Cops" and news clips that are similarly strung out, exhibiting the same type of behavior, and resistant get the same kind of treatment? Here is a nice example:

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    It's not the complete video but a freaking woman helps take this guy down without beating him senseless. He is obviously violent and not responding to officer's orders but does he get the beat down? No.
     
  17. Lil Pun

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    I'm not using the guy as a martyr and I'm not defending his actions because he was wrong but the police were wrong in the way they handled the situation. It's not that hard to understand.
     
  18. MR. MEOWGI

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    The police were right. He deserved every bit of it.

    Unfortunately because pf pansies like you he became a martyr and didn't learn his lesson and kept to the crap and endangering decent people's lives driving again on pcp. My hero.
     
  19. Apollo Creed

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    For people who can think rationally...
     
  20. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

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    Did he lead the police on a high speed chase and fight them? Not the same at all.
     

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