LeBron James Is Now The NBA’s All Time Leading Scorer 2/7/2023

It was documented that Kawhi Leonard also liked to ride helicopters but probably chose his situation with the weather.

KB and Kawhi were chopper friends.

 

Yeah the lazy cop out with LeBron are always PED accusations but Peds don't turn you into a 3 pt sniper. That's really what prolonged LeBron's career.

Giannis for example won't be scoring 25 pts on year 21 even if his body lasts that long cuz his shooting sucks. He won't be dunking and bulldozing people when he is in his late 30s, KD for example has gotten so brittle he injured himself on warmups.

 

There's a dude in denver who's already better then half of the guys on the list. Curry only ever had 1 season on par with peak jokic and kobe (lol) never came close.

 

1.6 three point makes a game is a "sniper"

 

Bron Bron Hana Hana.

 

He is taking 5 threes this season and making 2.2 on 40% 3 pt shooting. That's already a lot of attempts considering he plays PF.

1.6 is his career average he wasnt taking a lot of threes to start his career.

 

It depends if Jokic can stay healthy and play at a star level for 21 yrs.

 

I dunno, man. Garnett talked about LeBron being on that new juice... Sonnen reiterated his accusation. LeMedia is silent. The day of reckoning is drawing near. Or not. Who knows.

 

No it doesn’t, he’s already surpassed those two. He needs more to get into the top 6-8 range but he’s already top 10

 

You can't just go by stats, especially in an era of inflated stats. It's about sustained greatness, leadership, and accomplishments, that's what Lebron has done for 2 decades.
Jokic is one of the greats but he's got a long way to go to achieve that type of greatness.

 

Agreed, he's not there with lebron yet, long way to go before he can catch lebron or mike. He's definitely surpassed the durant/kobe/curry level though, those guys just were not in his league. His last 4 years blows them away

 

He's "better" than those guys, but not yet "greater" than Kobe and Curry. (Durant is levels below all of them especially in greatness.). Kobe went beyond his stats and is a "legend." Curry has strong advanced stats behind him that Kobe kinda doesn't , AFAIK, and he has the cultural impact. Also, there's the championships. Jokic needs at least 3.

 

Ya i’m just talking about them as players. I’m not really a ringzzz guy because there’s so much luck and stuff outa your control, like it’s not his fault Murray lost 2 playoffs to a torn acl, or that curry got 2 free rings. I get what you’re saying but I couldn’t rank steph above jokic, and kobe just isn’t in his universe to be considered, the gap is too great

 

I think yeah, some rankings like Kobe's has been upgraded due to him not being alive no more.....

 

I agree it's gonna be hard for Jokic to catch Curry and Kobe in terms of greatness because he is pretty goofy and doesn't command s certain type of awe and respect. The "idolatry" is really what separates MJ, Kobe and Curry from everyone else and in the case of guys like LeBron, Giannis and Jokic they don't get the same kind of worship because they are too big and strong/athletic.

Like objectively speaking nobody can really say Kobe is a better player than LeBron just in terms of achievements, accolades and playing ability. But even now lots of people rank Kobe ahead of LeBron because Kobe gives them a power fantasy whereas LeBron is kinda out of reach. People can fantasize being Kobe when they take contested jumpers (aka "Kobe!") but unless they are athletic enough to dunk they can't really pretend to be LeBron.

Esp with Kobe dying he kinda got immortalized into the ideal and super perfect player similar to Jordan so I don't see Jokic catching unless he wins a couple more rings and MVPs.

 

You don't see Jokic catching kobe in what sense? Popularity? As a basketball player he's light years ahead of kobe, kobe isn't in his class, and it's not close. I would lump iverson with kobe/curry/mj from a popularity standpoint. Go ask 100 nba fans who's better between iverson and harden, and most will say iverson, even though harden obviously is miles better as a player. When i make those comments it's purely from a basketball player sense and nothing else. Anyone who says kobe is better then lebron is simply an idiot and nothing more when it comes to basketball, just ignore those bafoons.