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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Jul 13, 2009.

  1. basso

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    set aside the ritual it's all W's fault. and focus on the red ink as far as the eye can see.

    [rquoter]Budget deficit tops $1 trillion for first time

    By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
    Mon Jul 13, 6:05 pm ET

    WASHINGTON — The federal deficit has topped $1 trillion for the first time ever and could grow to nearly $2 trillion by this fall, intensifying fears about higher interest rates, inflation and the strength of the dollar.

    The deficit has been widened by the huge sum the government has spent to ease the recession, combined with a sharp decline in tax revenues. The cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan also is a major factor.

    The soaring deficit is making Chinese and other foreign buyers of U.S. debt nervous, which could make them reluctant lenders down the road. It could also force the Treasury Department to pay higher interest rates to make U.S. debt attractive longer-term.

    "These are mind-boggling numbers," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist at the Smith School of Business at California State University. "Our foreign investors from China and elsewhere are starting to have concerns about not only the value of the dollar but how safe their investments will be in the long run."

    The Treasury Department said Monday that the deficit in June totaled $94.3 billion, pushing the total since the budget year started in October to $1.09 trillion. The administration forecasts that the deficit for the entire year will hit $1.84 trillion in October.

    Government spending is on the rise to address the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression and an unemployment rate that has climbed to 9.5 percent.

    Congress already approved a $700 billion financial bailout for banks, automakers and other sectors, and a $787 billion economic stimulus package to try to jump-start a recovery. Outlays through the first nine months of this budget year total $2.67 trillion, up 20.5 percent from the same period a year ago.

    There is growing talk among some Obama administration officials that a second round of stimulus may eventually be necessary.

    That has many Republicans and deficit hawks worried that the U.S. could be setting itself up for more financial pain down the road if interest rates and inflation surge. They also are raising alarms about additional spending the administration is proposing, including its plan to reform health care.

    President Barack Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner have said the U.S. is committed to bringing down the deficits once the economy and financial sector recover. The Obama administration has set a goal of cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term in office.

    In the meantime, the U.S. debt now stands at $11.5 trillion. Interest payments on the debt cost $452 billion last year — the largest federal spending category after Medicare-Medicaid, Social Security and defense.

    The overall debt is now slightly more than 80 percent of the annual output of the entire U.S. economy, as measured by the gross domestic product. During World War II, it briefly rose to 120 percent of GDP.

    The debt is largely financed by the sale of Treasury bonds and bills.
    Many private economists say the administration had no choice but to take aggressive action during the financial crisis.

    "We have a deep recession hammering tax revenues and forcing the government to provide a lot of help to the economy," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "But without this help, the downturn would be even more severe."

    History shows the dangers of assuming too soon that economic downturns have ended.

    President Franklin D. Roosevelt made that mistake in 1936. Believing the Depression largely over, he sought to reduce public spending and to balance the federal budget, but that undermined a fragile recovery, pushing the economy back under water in 1937.

    Japanese leaders made a similar mistake in the 1990s when they temporarily withdrew government stimulus spending, prolonging Japan's recession into one that lasted a full decade.

    Republicans in Congress are seizing on the deficit — and the persistence of the recession — to attack Democrats.

    "Washington Democrats keep borrowing and spending money we don't have," said House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio.
    So far, interest rates have remained low.

    This is partly because the Federal Reserve has kept a key short-term rate at a record near zero. Also, all the economic troubles in housing and the rest of the economy have depressed demand for credit by the private sector, meaning the government's borrowing costs are relatively low.

    The benchmark 10-year Treasury security has risen by about a percentage point in recent weeks, but analysts note it is still trading at historically low levels of around 3.35 percent.

    Geithner travels later this week to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, where he is expected to face questions about the U.S. deficit. As he did during a visit to China last month, Geithner will try to reassure investors in the Middle East that their U.S. holdings are safe from a calamitous bout of inflation.

    The deficit of $1.09 trillion so far this year compares to an imbalance of $285.85 billion through the same period a year ago. The deficit for the 2008 budget year, which ended Sept. 30, was $454.8 billion, the current record in dollar terms.

    Revenues so far this year total $1.59 trillion, down 17.9 percent from a year ago, reflecting higher unemployment, which cuts into payroll taxes and corporate tax receipts.

    Under the administration's budget estimates, the $1.84 trillion deficit for this year will be followed by a $1.26 trillion deficit in 2010, and will never dip below $500 billion over the next decade. The administration estimates the deficits will total $7.1 trillion from 2010 to 2019.[/rquoter]
     
  2. Rashmon

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    Didn't read the article; is it about your credibility?
     
  3. mc mark

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    NO POSTING IN BASSO THREADS
     
  4. El_Conquistador

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    Obama's budget deficit has turned a lot of people against him, including his one time supporters George Soros and Warren Buffett.

    This budget will wreck the economy by destroying the value of the dollar and imposing tremendous costs upon future generations. It's the single most reckless financial move committed in the last 100 years. It's Obama's Katrina.
     
  5. tested911

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    I don't understand? Where was this post when George W. had the Largest Deficit EVAH during his term?
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    YEAH!!11
     
  7. basso

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    Obama's deficit= EVAH x 4.
     
  8. Northside Storm

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    sigh

    http://www.vancouversun.com/business/fp/need+second+shot+stimulus+Buffett+says/1776193/story.html

    Complete non-surprise about your lack of research and/or general ignorance.
     
  9. El_Conquistador

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    Apples and oranges.

    1. Obama's deficit is several times larger than Bush's.
    2. Bush was funding the troops early efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan and the money was crucial for success. Bush also cut taxes, which successfully grew the economy out of the 9-11 and tech bubble bust doldrums.
    3. Obama's reckless spending was to unleash pent-up Democratic social programs, which did nothing for the economy. He was just scratching the backs of the constituencies that supported him during the election. Totally voluntary and totally unnecessary. Just reckless.

    It's like Obama is trying to ruin the economy with his actions. Raising taxes, raising energy costs, weakening the dollar, expanding inefficient government programs... punishing success. The man is just in over his head. He's clueless.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

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    Northside, your post proves nothing and is totally unrelated.

    If you followed finance, you'd know that Buffett has criticized Obama's reckless spending. Study up, friend.
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    I always love how spending money down on an unsustainable and useless war trumps spending on domestic programs.

    but

    so as to keep this thread irrelevant as it deserves to be.

    random cat picture

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  12. Northside Storm

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    I suggest you study up and offer me some damn links before I waste another hour owning your online persona/avatar/extension of your flawed personal beliefs or whatever this is
     
  13. moestavern19

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    T-bills?


    Obama has failed to bring us dragons and chocolate bunny warfare.

    FAILED.

    We are a nation that is ruled by a sugary gum-drops and stink beetles.

    STINK BEETLES.
     
  14. El_Conquistador

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    Sorry, but I don't have the time to be your research assistant and catch you up on the information that you missed. You're out of your league, friend.
     
  15. Northside Storm

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    Well, seeing as how time is the only thing you have, that's a pity ain't it?
     
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    Dammit moe, he brought us half-tabs of viagra combined with bunches of candy. I know you haven't been married long, but this is VERY IMPORTANT. Trust me.
     
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  18. Northside Storm

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    Well, he's not exactly advocating to reduce the deficit, that's for sure.

    my FRIEND T_J though, apparently, reads this differently. whoooooo knows. illiteracy? eh
     
  19. Dairy Ashford

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    I kind of think a decent debate could be had about this if we weren't in the middle of a multi-thread, board-wide dogpile.

    My biggest fear: when the economy fully recovers, middle class voters who now consent to stimulus spending will suddenly vote for more tax cuts. This will be great for the GOP (I really think all they need strategically is either an economic recovery or another terrorist attack), but bad for the federal debt.

    But then, one might say the same thing about a healthcare bill, or increased defense spending. Thoughts?
     
  20. Classic

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    Exactly who income wise are you defining as middle class?

    Our federal government's spending has been out of control too long unchecked. I fear a dollar that gets me 4 pesos in 5 years with the deficit out of control and the looming healthcare/medicare/social security nightmare on the horizon.
     

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