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[LA Times] "Clemens, Others Implicated in Banned Drug Case"

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by mokulen, Sep 30, 2006.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    i just think this is damage control from everyone involved. we see what's happening in the balco case where the journalists are being forced to give up their sources.

    I'm not saying roger is involved either way, I just don't think these recent events clear anyone.
     
  2. HayesStreet

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    what difference does that make? grimsley's attorney doesn't gain credibility by making the statement that his client said Clemens and Pettite would never do drugs in a million years if it is false, he loses credibility. the statement is on record and he has no motive to lie about it. since it is recorded it will come out officially at some point and then he'd be exposed as a liar. no reason for him to do that.
     
  3. pgabriel

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    is hgh a drug?
     
  4. MadMax

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    i don't think they mean he never did anything wrong.


    but i think they're pretty indicative that his name isn't in the report.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    Here's the affidavit: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1002061grimsley1.html

    Where do Clemens & Pettitte fit in here? The LA Times story reads:

    According to the affidavit, Grimsley told investigators that Clemens and Pettitte "used athletic performance-enhancing drugs."

    Notice the quote directly from the affidavit. The phrase quoted is used on Page 12 of the affidavit.

    page 12: "When asked what other current or former Major League Baseball players used athletic performance-enhancing drugs Grimsley named former players [redacted] and [redacted]."

    Clemens and Pettitte are not former players.
     
  6. HayesStreet

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    Not sure what the official classification is.
     
  7. Plowman

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    Clemens switch from the AL to the NL helped him.But Roger has become a better pitcher.His mastery of the splitter has played a major role in his resurgence.But there is another factor....Brad Ausmus.Watch the way he mixes his pitches and location.All these factors have contributed to him maximizing his talent.I would assume Roger has juiced at various points in his career,but probably not moreso than your average Major Leaguer.In the final analysis,he is showing why he might very well be the best pitcher in MLB history.
     
  8. Plowman

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    The ability to adapt is soooo underrated.Not many guys can or will do it,much less a player of Roger's stature,talent,and experience.It's tough to teach an old dog new tricks sometimes,but when they have the will to do what it takes,the results can be amazing.
     
  9. msn

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    hormone?
     
  10. Fegwu

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    Don't get it.

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    Hayes, when it comes to lawyers, credibility is usually thrown out the window. Their mentallity is that if they are found wanting months after, they will deal with it then. It is the lie-now-deal-with-the-consequence(s) [if any] later mentality. In many cases, we let these lawyers get away with these things because many people will not care anymore about what he said 5 or 7 months after the fact.
     

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