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Kobe had one thing that MJ and Lebron didn't have.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by UtilityPlayer, Jun 22, 2014.

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  1. UtilityPlayer

    UtilityPlayer Member

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    A true dominant big man , Kobe had Shaq in his prime and later in his career had Gasol and Bynum. MJ teams never really had a dominant big man . He had Wellington , Rodman , Cartwright and few others. Lebron had big Z , but on the decline.
     
    #1 UtilityPlayer, Jun 22, 2014
  2. UtilityPlayer

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    Don't count Rodman and Bosh as big men .
     
    #2 UtilityPlayer, Jun 22, 2014
  3. Kojirou

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    *shrugs*

    Kobe's below LeBron and Jordan, everyone sensible knows that at this point. More than the big man thing is the very simple problem that at no point in his career was Kobe Bryant the best player in the league. Ever. That said, he was still a great competitor, and the league will be worse off when he's gone.
     
    #3 Kojirou, Jun 22, 2014
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    MJ had the Australian, Luc Longley. A legend in his own right... a reincarnation of Patty Mills, another Aussie great.
     
    #4 Jontro, Jun 22, 2014
  5. Steve_Francis_rules

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    I really thought the answer was going to be "rape charges."
     
    #5 Steve_Francis_rules, Jun 22, 2014
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    Really? I think Kobe was the best player in the league in 2008-2010. But the fact that its not only disputable, but also such a short period compared to MJ and Lebron makes the same case.
     
    #6 da_juice, Jun 22, 2014
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    I'm not going to get into if Kobe is better than MJ or Lebron, but what I will say is that every championship team Kobe was on would destroy every championship team MJ or Lebron were on if you take Kobe, MJ and Lebron out of the equation.
     
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  8. Chamillionaire

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    Man, some of y'all need to go back and watch some of the ash!t Kobe did. Granted he had Shaquille and Bynum / Gasol but that doesn't take away from how good Kobe was.

    He was unstoppable in his prime.

    Y'all forget too quickly. SMH.:rolleyes:
     
    #8 Chamillionaire, Jun 22, 2014
  9. AFS

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    FWIW: 2008 http://www.nba.com/features/player_rankings.html
     
    #9 AFS, Jun 22, 2014
  10. T-macsterful1

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    I'd settle for 2007-2009. Lebron's last year with the cav's was the first year I'd say he was on a completely different level than any player in the league. I don't think I ever enjoyed watching one man play basketball as much as I did Lebron in the 09-10 season.
     
    #10 T-macsterful1, Jun 22, 2014
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    Kobe also had Gasoft lmao
     
    #11 daywalker02, Jun 22, 2014
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    Sure, that's what the media narrative was, but Chris Paul was better. It was close of course, but Kobe got it due to the narrative instead.

    And LeBron was easily better 2009-10.
     
    #12 Kojirou, Jun 22, 2014
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    Lebron and MJ also didn't get charged with rape

    Kobe truly the GOAT
     
    #13 apollo33, Jun 22, 2014
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    If rodman doesn't become a bull, mj might only have 3 championships.

    If you subscribe to the MJ legend, your explanation for the bulls losing to the magic was that MJ wasn't MJ, due to not having a proper regular season to adjust.

    HOWEVER, if you look back at it, you will realize that Dennis Rodman was brought in to deal with shaq.

    This also plays into the idea of big men in general. There is no way that MJ could have beaten a shaq-in-his-prime-lead-team WITHOUT rodman, if all other things being equal.

    Don't feed the myth.
     
    #14 what, Jun 22, 2014
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    Not having him might have made it tougher, but don't make the mistake of feeding your own myth. The Bulls completely dismantled the Magic the following season, and I think that it's hard to say that was only a product of having Rodman on board (Rodman was a great defender. No one disputes this).

     
    #15 jevjnd, Jun 22, 2014
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    If you look at MJs playoff stats in 95, they were on oar or better than his playoff stats the next year. Clearly Chicago just got flat out beat by Orlando, no excuses. MJ was MJ in the playoffs
     
    #16 rocketman84, Jun 22, 2014
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    [​IMG]

    Bill Wennington gets no respect.
     
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    80 pt game?

    MJ also had Dave Corzine, the last of the true hook shotters
     
    #18 heypartner, Jun 22, 2014
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    Bynum didn't do **** in either finals they won together. Not even a double double or a double single
     
    #19 Blake, Jun 22, 2014
  20. mr. 13 in 33

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    I still cringe when I see that 17/47 Kobe shot.
     
    #20 mr. 13 in 33, Jun 22, 2014
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