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Kobe can't beat guys off the dribble anymore, says scouts to Chris Broussard

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 16, 2014.

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  1. cheke64

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    The perfectionist also chews out Pau day and night.
     
    #41 cheke64, Oct 16, 2014
  2. Carl Herrera

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    As some here pointed out, Kobe has gradually shifted to more post-up game in recent seasons, but for him to remain an effective player, he still had to be getting to the rim and drawing fouls whether he is facing guys up at the 3 point line or going back to the basket in the mid to low post.

    For example, in his very good offensive year in 2012-13, Kobe shot 21% if his shots at the basket (and made a really high 69% of them) and attempted 39 FTs for every 100 FG attempts. Both numbers are right at his career average. He generated these numbers with different skills and abilities than before, but he still beat guys to the basket and drew fouls.

    It's good to have a midrange J-- it keeps defenders honest and set them up for drives at the basket and fouls, but you still gotta have enough left in the tank to take advantage of defenders playing tight on you.

    It will be interesting to see what Kobe's FTA rate and % of FGA at the basket this season. Will he be using the midrange turnaround J to set up the higher efficiency opportunities or just shooting these comparably inefficient shots without generating much else.
     
    #42 Carl Herrera, Oct 16, 2014
  3. ooooaaaah!

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    He was done as the #1 in the OKC series 2 years ago. He should have gone gracefully then but oh well.
     
    #43 ooooaaaah!, Oct 16, 2014
  4. shastarocket

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    Kobe still has above average court vision and passing. Combine that with an offense centered around his posting-up, he'll still put a significant impact on the game. Good thing the Lakers picked up a few solid jumpshooters and PnR threats, eh?
     
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  5. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Kobe going to Kobe

    He is going to compete with Westbrook (until Durant is back) for the most shots taken per game, they going to chuck their way away to 40 shots

    Kobrick is also going to compete with Westbrick for the most bricks
     
    #45 FTW Rockets FTW, Oct 16, 2014
  6. Awesome

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    The other thing he doesn't have is a dominant big man in the post this time to take attention off of him or at least keep the defensive schemes honest, but with no Shaq, Bynum, Pau its a wrap.
     
    #46 Awesome, Oct 16, 2014
  7. Aleron

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    the lakers lost their best 3 point shooters from last year, 4 of them, and the 5th is currently injured, so no, they didn't really pick up solid jump shooters.
     
    #47 Aleron, Oct 16, 2014
  8. shastarocket

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    I was referring to Boozer in particular with a cautious nod towards Nick Young, Lin, Ed Davis and Randle. But you are right losing Meeks, Blake and the others will hurt
     
    #48 shastarocket, Oct 16, 2014
  9. Rokman

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    With all of the transformation in his game and how he is going to have to transform his game you would think he would be watching Rocky Balboa on repeat day in and day out with the scene with Duke:

    Duke: You know all there is to know about fighting, so there's no sense us going down that same old road again. To beat this guy, you need speed - you don't have it. And your knees can't take the pounding, so hard running is out. And you got arthritis in your neck, and you've got calcium deposits on most of your joints, so sparring is out.

    Paulie: I had that problem.

    Duke: So, what we'll be calling on is good ol' fashion blunt force trauma. Horsepower. Heavy-duty, cast-iron, piledriving punches that will have to hurt so much they'll rattle his ancestors. Every time you hit him with a shot, it's gotta feel like he tried kissing the express train. Yeah! Let's start building some hurtin' bombs!

    Kobe over there working out going "Yeah, YEAH! Blunt force Motha F#cka! That's gonna be ME!!"

    Zoom forward in time to Game 10 of the season, Kobe talking smack under his breath as he goes up for a layup "Blunt Force Bit-- WHOAA!!" gets blocked by Dwight, falls to the ground and breaks his hip.

    Rocky would be proud.
     
    #49 Rokman, Oct 16, 2014
  10. Patience

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    I could see Kobe having a similar year as Washington-Wizards-era Jordan. i.e. Good numbers, but not good enough to propel his team to success. Also, this Lakers team looks worse than those Wizards.
     
    #50 Patience, Oct 16, 2014
  11. Carl Herrera

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    The Washington Era MJ didn't really help his team much in any way.

    He was a volume shooter with very low-- and I mean Rafer Alston level low-- efficiency. He didn't get to the FT line or to the basket.

    The team was also mediocre to bad at best with Jordan in his diminished capacity. They didn't win anything meaningful and MJ didn't help the development of their younger talent. If anything, he scared Kwame Brown to death and took away minutes and touches from some guys who might have benefited from them.

    The Lakers better hope Kobe doesn't turn out similarly. They need Kobe to be 1997-98 Bulls Jordan-- older but still a real life elite player-- and not the Wizards Jordan.
     
    #51 Carl Herrera, Oct 16, 2014
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    So in two years from now he'll be great? He'll also be 38.

    I don't care how much GRIT and DESIRE he has. If his prognosis is "this year might be rough but next year, man..." Well that's a bad outlook for Kobe.
     
    #52 Roxnostalgia, Oct 16, 2014
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    Kobe doesn't need to do that. All Kobe needs to do is keeping on shooting for the Lakers to tank. Action speaks louder than words. :grin:
     
    #53 jlwee, Oct 16, 2014
  14. Liberon

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    Hey Hey Hey.. This is a family oriented discussion forum. :eek:
     
    #54 Liberon, Oct 16, 2014
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    :confused:

    25 pts 5 brds 5 asts isn't that farfetched. I can easily envision Kobe hovering right around those numbers.
     
    #55 i3artow i3aller, Oct 17, 2014
  16. rockbox

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    Kobe in his prime won 34 games without an elite supporting cast. They aren't winning crap this year.
     
    #56 rockbox, Oct 17, 2014
  17. A_3PO

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    Over the long 82? Ain't no way in the world. Just curious: How many MPG do you expect him to play?

    If Byron Scott sits Kobe ~20 games and he focuses his energy towards scoring and nothing else, he could do ~20 PPG. But he doesn't have enough left to play 35-40 MPG and average 25/5/5.

    What could help Kobe's scoring is the Lakers being so pathetic that teams don't have to defend them. It's easy for volume shooters on bad teams to score points when the opponent is beating theirs heads in most nights.

    As competitive as he is, the only thing Kobe is playing for now is money and personal stats. He's just an attraction at the sorry Lakers circus.
     
    #57 A_3PO, Oct 17, 2014
  18. EightDoobies

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    Sad thing is, Kobe most likely will get 20 PPG, but on 30+ shots. After watching that game last night versus Utah. It just seem he just trying to beat Jordan in scoring and that's about it.
     
    #58 EightDoobies, Oct 17, 2014
  19. Awesome

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    Jordan isnt even the #1 scorer in the league, so that's a useless record

    Then im sure he'll eventually be passed up by more efficient players like LeBron and Durant
     
    #59 Awesome, Oct 17, 2014
  20. RoxBeliever

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    Uber-competitive, he'll still try to win as many games as they can.

    Realistically, he'll only be gunning for the all-time record in points.
     
    #60 RoxBeliever, Oct 18, 2014
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