Knicks trade Porzingis to Dallas for Dennis Smith Jr.

The important thing is flexibility, as.long as the Knicks dont blow their load on overpriced FAs they can roll over and start again next year. They are still a young team there is DSJ, Knox, Frank N and whatever lotto guy they get they have all the time to rebuild through the draft if they want to.

 

again all that sounds good but their track record puts them in likelihood of just overpaying for a ok player and maxing them out with no other choice. they finally get a guy like KP and give up on him that quickly. personally wouldn't have but oh well. knicks are gonna knicks

 

Are you serious? How are you going to sit there and type about having eggs in "multiple baskets" and say that's not a gamble? Knicks are already gambling on them getting the #1 overall pick (absolutely not guaranteed) and getting 2 of KD/Kyrie/Kawhi/Butler/Klay (even less of a guarantee).

Gamble for the Knicks is losing out on your homegrown star and maybe getting absolutely nothing in return. What's that say about your franchise when the guy you've drafted and groomed, wants out? Without even playing out his rookie contract?

You're gambling your future on a wish and a prayer that 2 big name FAs will come + getting Zion. Speaking of, NY is either getting 2 or none. Because KD isn't going to come, knowing it's only him coming and a bunch of young players + scrubs. Ditto Kyrie. Ditto every other big FA.

Also, Kristaps couldn't just leave in FA. He would be an RFA, so NY could have matched any offer thrown at him.

Lastly, you could do some analysis, as well. All the big men you listed (Sabonis, Yao, Ilgauskas) all had foot problems. Porzingis is coming off a torn ACL. Obviously, there hasn't been a 7'3'' player who has come back strong from an ACL tear...but to my knowledge, that's because there's never been a 7'3'' player who injured his ACL! And I can't remember the last time a player, 7'3'' or otherwise, came back and wasn't the same after just 1 ACL injury. Jury is out on Porzingis, but let's not lump him into the "big men who suck bc major injuries" camp, just yet.

 

After looking at that list, the Lakers and Knicks have to be feeling pretty damn good right about now. But to be fair, those arrogant Laker ****s always feel good about themselves anyways. At least Knicks fans are self-deprecating enough to be endearing.....Lakers fans are insufferable.

 

Mavs reportedly eyeing Nikola Vucevic as offseason target

After acquiring a former All-Star big man on Thursday when they traded for Kristaps Porzingis, the Mavericks are eyeing a current All-Star as a potential offseason target, according to Brad Townsend of The Dallas Morning News. A league source tells Townsend that the Mavs are setting their sights on Magic center Nikola Vucevic, who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer.

If Dallas intends to make a serious run at Vucevic, it will be interesting to see how the team handles its cap situation. After adding Tim Hardaway, Courtney Lee, and Porzingis to the roster, the Mavs no longer project to have any real cap room during the offseason. In order to clear the cap room necessary to pursue Vucevic, the club may have to make a trade or count on Harrison Barnes or Dwight Powell opting out.

If Porzingis opts to sign his one-year, $4.5MM qualifying offer rather than inking a more lucrative longer-term deal, it could also create added flexibility for the Mavs, but that’s probably not the preferred outcome for the franchise.​

 

Not sure how you can trash the Knicks. Prozingis is a promising talent, but let's not act like he's a superstar. Also he's coming acl tear. So they essentially traded a player that's not gonna play this year for Dennis Smith, who IS playing & showed ALOT of promise last year. You have building blocks in Smith & Knox AND draft picks. So even if dont get KD they can successfully rebuild of they have a great draft.


Dallas over compensated for Prozingis and will probably regret it when teams torch him on defense. Cuban wanted the next Dirk, and he'll look stupid when it doesn't pan out

 

Damn there were reports he was ready but the Knicks didn’t want him to play

 

Vuc and Porz doesn't sound like a great pairing to me.

 

Damn I hate Dallas

 

Everyone was so quick to say this was a lopsided deal for the Mavs but they just took on some awful contracts and gave away draft picks after already trading a pick for Doncic... they are pretty much locked into this team for 3 years and I’m not sure it’s a playoff team.

Plus are we sure Porzingis is anything more than a good stats bad team guy? Or that he can even walk? I think the Knicks actually got a pretty sweet deal for a guy that hasn’t played in a year and is a 7 footer that only shoots 43% from the field and can’t get 10 boards.

 

Man Cuban is going for the all euro team.

 

Both teams gambled. KP didn't want to be on the Knicks and the Mavs took on a lot of contracts and lost two draft picks to gamble on an injury prone big man.

 

That was my initially take but when the dust settled I liked this better for the Knicks,

 

Gambling means losing something, Porzingis already wanted out the milk has been drunk the tea has been spilled why TF would Knicks keep him in Fa even if he is a RFA? KP would just take the 1 year deal that makes him a UFA the year after. So no, Knicks arent gambling since they arent losing anything, KP is a sunk cost already unless you want them to be stupid and lose him for nothing.

I have absolutely no idea what that says about the Knicks because KP got injured last year, didnt play this year and yet is complaining about the losing. KP was just on his 3rd year last year why TF is he losing his mind about losing, didnt he realize thats how he landed on the Knicks? If the Knicks were winning they wouldnt pick him 4rth lol. AD sucked up losing for 9 years but here is KP on his 3rd year losing his **** and demanding a trade wtf. To me that tells me more about KP than the Knicks.

How can the Knicks "may get absolutely nothing in return" when they unloaded salary and got 2 possible lotto picks? The trade also made them worse so their lotto pick this year is automatically better. Saying they may get nothing is just factually incorrect Mavs are the ones who can get absolutely nothing in return if Kristaps leaves. He hated losing in NYC thats why he damanded a trade guess what the record of Dallas is right now? LOL!

Lets assume the worst case for the Knicks, they lose out on Zion and nobody wants to go there KD, Kawhi, Kemba etc all said FU Knicks. So what? They can still roll over their capspace and try again next year. By next year they have DSJ, Frank N, Knox and whoever they picked this year, 4 lotto picks and lots of capspace they are in a great position to rebuild esp with Mavs picks.

But what happens to Dallas if Kristaps goes to LA or stays injured? They are capped out paying 20M to Hardaway and 12M to Courtney Lee. If they suck then their picks belong to Grizz and NYC. And if it works out so what? Mavs have a losing record and are 20th place in the league, you think adding 1 guy changes that to a contender?

Really the one with the wish and a prayer are the Mavs not the Knicks. They are hoping KP is healthy and they win enough KP wont leave them otherwise they are screwed.

 

Even if that happens they still got ahead in the trade as KP already wanted to leave. They didnt gice up on KP, KP demanded a trade. Getting rid of their overpaid players and 2 possible lotto picks for somebody who already wanted to leave is already a massive win.

As someone who is already salty about the Mavs getting Lula I am super happy they made this trade more than likely this gonna screw the mavs IMHO.

 

Parts of your argument are based on Kristaps being absolute garbage once he steps back onto the basketball floor. Those picks Dallas traded? Very good for the Knicks if Porzingis is garbage. The blowback from media about trading Kristaps? Warranted, if Porzingis is garbage. If Kristaps turns out to be garbage, then he's garbage. But if he's the same Porzingis when he comes back, the Mavs have an extremely solid foundation for the next 10 years, potentially.

Gambling doesn't mean just losing something. lol wtf. Gambling means you're willing to give up something now, for a chance to get something better in the future (immediate or otherwise). The Knicks are gambling because Porzingis does draw eyes to the Knicks. I don't have hard and fast numbers for you, but speaking personally, I'd rather watch the Knicks with Porzingis than the Knicks without.

Opening up cap space for 2 max slots and getting picks is all fine and good, but just like some parts of your argument needing Porzingis to be garbage, you're also operating under the assumption that the Knicks have already signed who they wanted to sign. In that case, good for the Mavs for trying to get Porzingis, and good for the Knicks becoming relevant again.

But when you say the Knicks can just try again, what does that even mean? They would have lost out on big names in an extremely top-heavy FA class. Who's even on tap for 2020? And why would they go to the Knicks when Porzingis was traded 2 seasons ago and big names wouldn't sign there even with 2 max slots? Players talk. NY isn't what it once was.

Tim Hardaway Jr. isn't even the problem. Harrison Barnes is the real bloated contract.

From your posts, it seems like you're anti-Porzingis, anti-Mavs and pro-Knicks. If you are, then more power to you. But it really sounds like you're heavily biased.

 

how do you know that? KP simply wanted to know the direction of where the knicks are going. do you know? nobody seems to know like at all. they havent had a direction in how many years now. and there's still no direction in sight. As one of the faces of the organization you're supposed to be the one who wants to know whats your future holds. How things are going forward,at the very least to improve there outlook. So I'd say they pretty much soured and gave up on him

I don't see it that way. dsj wasn't going to fit next to doncic. his days were numbered there already. KP's ceiling is much higher than his, especially playing with Doncic. Future is brighter now for them.

the only way this is a "win" for the knicks is if a bunch of luck goes there way, which again based on their track record is not likely. And its not just a little luck. its a whole bunch of it

 

None of what you just said pans out.