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JVG wants 3 PG's and a 4 who can shoot. here are some options...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by smoothie, Apr 22, 2006.

  1. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    we all read that JVG wants 3 PG's on the team next year with a 4 that can shoot. CD agrees with him and so i think it's safe to say that's what they are looking for.

    here are some FA's this summer who can play the 4 and shoot ball:

    KVH, Radman, Tim Thomas, Kukoc, Walta, Songaila (player option), cliffy (team option), mo taylor (buy out option), webber (buy out option).

    i assume that rafer counts as one of the 3 PG's. i would also assume that if JVG wants a 4 who can shoot, it's Jho's job that's in trouble right now, not stro's. i know JVG loves him but stro is still young and athletic and that's what they claim to be moving towards.

    so here are some trade options involving Jho this summer:

    duhon, childress, sarunas, jaric, hudson, r.bell, b.barry, mopete, giricek, AD.

    all of them should work capwise and fould fit a need for us. the other team may not like all of these proposals. but that's wha'ts out there that works capwise and would work for us IMO.

    the more possible trades would be jaric, hudson, and sarunas. the wolves and pacers need to drop a guard and add a big guy. the wolves and bulls have shown interest in Jho before. maybe Jho and a future first for duhon?

    seeing as how CD said they are looking to add a big guard who can shoot in the draft, making one of these trades and signing one of those players seems to fit every other whole.
     
  2. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    I have mentioned it in a couple of threads but I think the Rockets MLE should be split. I think the Rockets should use part of it on bringing over V-Span, and the other part on either 3/4 Jermaine Jones or PG Speedy Claxton. All 3 players address the needs JVG is looking for which is either a range shooting 4 man (Jones) or a PG (Claxton / Vspan).
    And then perhaps the Rockets can get their 2 guard with length in the draft.
     
  3. bladeage

    bladeage Contributing Member

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    speedy would be a good addition. duhon is good but not consistent and injury prone. but no one on that lists gets my attention. maybe just tim thomas a the 4. and kvh? if u want someone keeping the bench nice and toasty during the season becuz of an injury, thats the guy u want!
     
  4. xiki

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    FAs will not be the answer presuming VSpan gets 1/2 of the MLE.

    It will take TRADES (or SnT's) which means taking back $$$.

    For example: Raef. To accept Raef's bigass contract for JHo's not quite as big contract (@35mm > @23mm) Rox would need to take Green, who is another year from producing IMO). Rox would have to add some $, perhaps one year $2.5mm/DWes.

    Another example: JHo and BS (assuming he is finished) for SJax and Tinsley.

    In three way scenaria: get (my #1 off season 'wish list'er) Troy Murphy. Get Najera.
     
  5. jopatmc

    jopatmc Contributing Member

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    If we bring over Spanoulis, I would be willing to take a flyer on Jones or even on Qyntel Woods for that matter. I would not count on them being the starter that we need. Then I'd look to pull a trade with Portland for Miles and Jarrett Jack, sending them Howard, Bowen, and either this year's second or next year's first. Then offer New Orleans our pick and Stro for their pick and P.J. Brown or keep our pick and draft Shelden to replace Juwan.

    I would be willing to do a deal for Childress too if it was a doable deal and we did not have to give up our pick.

    I really think Van Gundy would like to bring Harpring over here. Harpring is the hard nosed blood and guts player that he likes. I kinda like him myself, except for the injuries. Harpring would take the tougher defensive 2/3 assignment and thrive off the double teams of Yao and McGrady.
     
  6. cwww

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    IMO we need a PF who can shoot the ball plus rebound well, JHo and Stro can't rebound the ball well, JHo can shoot pretty well within 20 feet though...

    I heard that Shelden Williams can shoot up to 15 feet from the basket with good consistency, is he considered as a PF who can shoot the ball well? I really hope that we pick Shelden Williams...
     
  7. jopatmc

    jopatmc Contributing Member

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    One point about 3 point guards. I hope JVG isn't wanting 3 pgs in addition to Head. Head is essentially a point guard. He has to develop his ball handling skills but he fits best at the 1. He can defend 1s better than 2s and when you look at his +/- numbers, he is the best performing guard we have right now, especially when you put Yao and McGrady on the court. If we have him on the floor at 1, our new acquired 3 point shooter with size at the 2, McGrady, Yao, and somebody like P.J. Brown at the 4 (or perhaps Shelden Williams), you've got your 5 guys that can all hit their shots while giving us very solid defense. So, IMO, we need one more PG to go with what we already have. That PG could be Spanoulis.

    As far as Shelden goes, I think he is probably one of the most underrated players in this draft right now. Once they go through their summer camps, I would not be surprised if he works his way up to a top 7-8 pick and we are wondering if he will fall to us.
     
  8. Pringles

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    i don't get why we want 3 pgs? i probaly want 3 pfs then pgs since we have rafer playing for 30 minutes. i expect v-span to come over with 1/2 of the mle and play 20 minutes. We also have luther take up the pg garbage minutes. center is just the samething with yao mutombo/swift. Sf, is T-MAC, and if we could do a sign and trade with new york for woods that be great. At PF, i agree we should keep swift and trade juans big constract. i think we should trade juan for childress and a pick. draft sheldom williams and draft some shooter specialist in the 2nd round. Sg is probaly wat we have to use our other 1/2 mle. i'm not sure who though.
    PG: rafer/v-span/luther
    SG: ----/childress/sura/head
    SF: t-mac/ woods
    PF: Swift/Sheldom williams/ hayes (don't think sheldom is going to start)
    C: YAO/Mutombo/Swift

    expect us to dump boby for woods somehow
     
  9. DieHard Rocket

    DieHard Rocket Contributing Member

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    I think Head can be a PG in this offense too. He's not a natural ball-handler and passer, but all we really need from the point is a guy who can push the ball, defend, and get the ball down to Yao. He could make a career like Matt Maloney did just hitting the 3-ball, except he is much more athletic and better defensively. If you bring V-span over, I think we have our 3 PG's (and the possibility of Sura returning).

    I think one of either Stromile or Howard will be traded. If they can find a taker on Howard's contract he will be gone.
     
  10. krosfyah

    krosfyah Contributing Member

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    I disagree. I think JVG can't stand Stro. He hates his work ethic which is why he has never given Stro consistent minutes. The ONLY plus about Stro, from JVG's perspective, is that Stro can play minutes at center in many matchups.

    I'd say Stro is more likely to go because he is more tradeable and JVG would love to see him gone esp. if he can get something good in return.

    Howard is MUCH harder to move and JVG can live with JHo's shortcomings if other parts of the team are bolstered. JHo isn't mistake prone like Stro. That being said, if they can find somebody to take JHo for anything decent in return, I'm sure CD would eat it up.

    I doubt both are here in training camp but 70% that Stro is the one gone.

    Regarding point guards,

    1. Sign V-Span
    2. Sign Sam Cassell
    3. Pick up a decent 3rd veteran PG for the minimum (Maybe Sura will be back too).
    4. Trade Rafer and Stro for a good PF or SG.

    My work here is done.
     
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    Storm Surge Rookie

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    I'm not yet sold on v-span, but I haven't seen him play ever, so I'm reluctant and if given the choice would pick a good solid NBA player(speedy) over him
     
  12. jopatmc

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    If JVG thinks he has to have a 3 point bomber at the 4 spot, then draft Pittsnoggle with the 2nd pick and be done with it.
     
  13. saleem

    saleem Contributing Member

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    Speedy will probably take the entire MLE. I think he is worth it. I want to see V Span in the preseason and I hope he will do well but if we can get a better player for the MLE we should send him back to Europe and bring him back later.
     
  14. WhoMikeJames

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    I would love Mo Pete on this team.
     
  15. Aruba77

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    If we are looking for a power forward that can shoot, I think the closest thing through free agency is Radmanovich. However, I personally think JHoward can shoot pretty well, and what we really need is a power forward who can rebound and play defense. Let's face it, Howard is untradeable, so we might as well use his strengths while we have them. He's good from 18 to 20 feet. So, we really need to pair him with a banger (like Sheldon Williams), or Reggie Evans. The key is to trade Stro to plug a hole at another position, and grab Evans off the FA market, or draft Sheldon Williams.
     
  16. jopatmc

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    We already have what Evans brings in Chuckie Hayes. While I agree with you that Howard is pretty much untradable, he could be moved for a player with attitude problems and a higher, longer contract. (Sounds like Darius Miles to me.) We're gonna have to gamble a little bit. Radmanovich is not what I want. The ONLY thing he can do is shoot. He cannot defend anybody, power forwards or small forwards, and he is looking for big money. He's only worth around $2 million a year max, because he is so one-dimensional and gives back way too much on the defensive end. He is the classic shooter that can play NO defense. We need shooters that can play SOME defense at least.

    Another possibility to moving Howard would be for Fartson. I'd do either Fartson or Miles in a hot second if we could move Juwan.
     
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  17. drpepper

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    If JVG said he wants 3 PG's and a 4, then he's blowing smoke up everyones a$$. He's gonna target a 2(Roy or Carney) and a 5(O'Bryant, ??). Why would he let the cat out of the bag so early??
     
  18. apostolic3

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    I can't stand Fortson but I'd take his one year contract in a minute in exchange for Juwan's 3 guaranteed years. I assume you misspelled his name by mistake.

    No way on Darius Miles, who is just another version of Stro except he's nutcase. He didn't respect Mo Cheeks (Mr. Softie) and didn't respond well most of the time to Nate McMillan (Mr. Hardnose). In 5 NBA seasons he's done very little to get better. I realize he's only 24 and could maybe still turn things around but how likely is that?
     
  19. barbourdg

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    If Steve Novak is gone at #32, what about taking Dee Brown as the 3rd PG?
     
  20. Nice Rollin

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    mo pete would be a dream come true...
     

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