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[Justice-Chron] Squeeze play catches Bags in the middle

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  1. Furious Jam

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    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/3579305.html

    Trouble in paradise. Sounds like the Astros brass shares many of the doubts about Bagwell on this board. Oh well, at least spring training should be interesting...

    Squeeze play catches Bags in the middle

    By RICHARD JUSTICE
    Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

    Jeff Bagwell was back at work Tuesday morning. Running. Lifting weights. Swinging a bat.

    "Nothing is going to keep me from attempting to play baseball next season," he said.

    He let that thought hang in the air. He seemed defiant.

    "Nothing," he said again.

    Can he still be productive? Can he still be Jeff Bagwell?

    "There's no question in my mind I can hit," he said. "It's whether or not I can throw for a full season. Everything has gone exactly the way I thought it should. I'm getting stronger. Am I able to throw 120 feet? No. Am I making progress? Very much so.

    "I'm going to try and play baseball at spring training. There's no getting around that. Unless something major happens, I'll be there."

    If you think this is what the Astros were hoping to hear, guess again. They apparently would prefer he went away.

    Astros eye insurance claim

    According to Bagwell and his agent, Barry Axelrod, the Astros want him to announce he can no longer play, that his right shoulder is forcing him to give up this comeback attempt.

    Then and only then can the Astros collect on an insurance policy that will pay about $15.6 million of the approximately $17 million Bagwell is owed for the 2006 season.

    The Astros apparently have been pushing him in this direction since the end of last season. With the Jan. 31 deadline for filing the insurance claim approaching, they've begun to push harder.

    Astros general manager Tim Purpura said the issue is more complicated.

    "We're trying to get some objective information," he said. "A healthy Jeff Bagwell is what we want. If he can't be a full-time player, we have to figure out if we can collect on the insurance or not."

    If Bagwell steps onto the field at spring training, the Astros may not be able to collect on the policy.

    Road trip not icon's idea

    Bagwell will see renowned orthopedist Dr. James Andrews on Thursday in Birmingham, Ala. That trip had been uncertain after Andrews suffered a heart attack over the weekend. It was finalized Tuesday afternoon. Bagwell is going because the Astros insist.

    Purpura said it's to get an evaluation of the bum shoulder. Bagwell, 37, believes it could be to build a case that he no longer can be an everyday player.

    Either way, he sees the whole thing as a waste of time.

    "I don't know Dr. Andrews," Bagwell said, "but I'm pretty sure he's going to say, 'You have a bad shoulder, sir.' I already know that. That doesn't mean I can't play. No matter what he says, I'm still going to go to spring training to play baseball."

    To Astros owner Drayton McLane, the issue is simple. He apparently doesn't believe Bagwell will be a $17 million player in 2006. He's not sentimental with so much money on the line.

    McLane was out of the country and unavailable for comment Tuesday.

    "I don't blame them," Axelrod said. "But the fact is, Jeff has a contract. Whether the Astros are happy about it is not the point."

    The point is simple. Bagwell wants to play. He believes he can play. He has earned the right to try. After 15 seasons, 449 home runs, 1,529 RBIs and 2,150 games, he doesn't believe he's done.

    Before McLane presses him to quit, he might want to remind himself that Bagwell — and Craig Biggio — have set the tone for this decade of success.

    They're the ones who policed the clubhouse, produced on the field, deflected credit to others in the good times and accepted blame in the bad times.

    They're the foundation for everything this franchise has accomplished. They're huge reasons the Astros have won and revenues have skyrocketed.

    Bagwell was underpaid at least four years before he was overpaid. He signed a long-term deal that prevented him from going on the open market.

    Then he got hurt. Such is the risk of guaranteed money.

    Few franchises have had two players as good as Bagwell and Biggio. Stat guru Bill James rates both of them among the 50 best players of all-time. Both should have some say in how they leave.

    If McLane wants to pay Bagwell less money, if he wants to reconfigure the deal, he should say so. He also should remember Bagwell has deferred millions over the years to give McLane the flexibility to add players.

    Now what Bagwell wants is the chance to try one last time. He might never hit 47 home runs again, but he's confident he has plenty left in the tank.

    "I think they're trying to make me decide today," he said. "I can't do that. I'm not so sure that makes them happy. But that's just the way it is."

    His salary also needs to be seen in context. He signed a five-year, $85 million deal in December 2000. That was the month Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez and Mike Hampton got insane contracts.

    Those contracts look ridiculous even by today's ridiculous standards. And because Bagwell agreed to defer large portions during the early years, the salaries are going to be inflated in the later years.

    Before this gets ugly — and it could get ugly as each side presses its case — the signing of veteran outfielder Preston Wilson indicates where the Astros believe this is headed.

    If the Astros thought Bagwell would be in uniform, Wilson wouldn't have been signed.

    Axelrod casually mentioned the possibility of trading Bagwell to an American League team. The Astros would have to pick up a huge portion of the remainder of the contract and then get Bagwell's permission. Other teams likely would see him as a risk. For now, the Astros seem committed to pursuing the insurance option.

    Bagwell, typically stoic, always has understood there was a business side to the game. He understands the business side has been good to him.

    He's somewhere between hurt and angry at how it has played out.

    "I didn't go back to them in '97 or '98 or '99 and say, 'I want to change my contract. I'm not getting paid enough,' " he said.

    Purpura understands Bagwell's frustration.

    "It's a tough situation," Purpura said. "You're torn in both directions. You understand the baseball side. We all know what he has meant to this franchise. There's also a business side. Our payroll is right around $90 million. That's a legitimate issue as well. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out."

    Bagwell told Purpura last year that he wasn't sure how much his shoulder would allow him to do. He promised he never would do anything to embarrass either himself or the franchise. I'd trust him to keep his word.

    richard.justice@chron.com
     
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  2. RunninRaven

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    I wonder what the legal possibilities if Bagwell goes to this specialist and the specialist declares him incapable of playing baseball? Would the Astros have some means of forcing the retirement? I doubt they would, especially since it looks like it would result in terrible PR backlash considering Bagwell's tone in this article...but I was curious.
     
  3. Aceshigh7

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    Let Bagwell try to come back on his own terms. He's earned that right. I'm tired of the Astros trying to get off cheap.
     
  4. Furious Jam

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    You'd have to look at the terms of his contract, but I doubt that there's anything in there that would force him to retire based upon the opinion of one doctor.
     
  5. RocketMan Tex

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    I agree with you 110%. He has most definitely earned that right. I also feel that Bagwell, his agent, and the Astros front office need to come to some kind of an agreement on milestones (for lack of a better word) that Bagwell needs to reach in order for a decision to be made. For example, if Bagwell cannot throw a baseball from first to third before spring training starts, do you declare him unable to play? If he can't throw that far before opening day? Some kind of consensus has to be reached.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Wow,

    That sucks.....but totally understandable, they probably want the money to pay Roger in May...

    :D

    I wish they gave an update on his throwing.....not much info on his rehab.

    DD
     
  7. ArtV

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    ^ According to the report Jeff says he can't make the throw from 1st to 3rd.

    "Am I able to throw 120 feet? No."
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Richard Justice was talking about this today. He's probably still on 610, some may can catch some more converstation at this point. When I was listening he was driving home the point that insurance will not cover Bagwell contract, talking about how hard it was to get Albert Belle's contract paid. And if you guys remember, there was no doubt Belle's career was over.
     
  9. ROCKSS

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    Is this the last year of his contract? If it is, the Astros need to do the right thing and let him try, he`s earned the right to do that. I understand that there is a business side to this, but Bags has done more for this franchise then anyone else (minus Biggio) and needs to at least be given the chance to try.

    I have no doubt if Bags feels he cannot go he will not drag the team down nor embarras his legacy. Its to bad its come to this
     
  10. Master Baiter

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    I love Bags but still want him to retire. That being said, if he wants to try to go this season, the Astros ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO RESPECT THAT. This is Jeff Freaking Bagwell we are talking about here. Bite the bullet and DO NOT disrespect him. It really saddens me to read that article and believe that it is even an issue. I hope there is less to it than they allude to.
     
  11. msn

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    I agree 110% as well.

    I think they should try to restructure this contract. If Bagwell wants to play, then let him. How about a guaranteed $5 million a year for two years beyond this one, and $2 million more the year after that? It would be better than the $0 he's on contract for for those years. Additionally, if he still had something, he could sign a one year contract to actually play. In 2007 He could make $5 million for playing ball and $5 million because he played ball in 2006. Of course, since I know jack about the business side and legal side of things, that is probably an amazingly ridiculous suggestion.

    At any rate, I do not want to see this amazing career end ugly. I hope McLane and Purpura go to any length appropriate (iow not destroy the future) to keep this from getting ugly. Additionally, I hope that things don't get exasperated by mediots like Dick Justice trying to stir the pot.
     
  12. Toast

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    Bagwell's been the ultimate team player since he came to the Astros.

    Give the man his due. He's earned the right to contribute to this team in whatever capacity he can.
     
  13. Rocketman95

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    That's guaranteed to happen. This article being exhibit A. A bunch of speculation with exactly two quotes from Astros management.
     
  14. NJRocket

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    Well, Jan 31 is the deadline for submitting an insurance claim....so its not like they can decide in Spring training as to what they can or cannot do.

    If he cannot throw the ball 120 feet....and the fact of the matter is that if he has to make a throw to 2nd on a bunt play or a double play, he probabyl has to throw it hard enough for it to go 150ft...then i don't see him playing.

    That being said...if the Astros dont file a claim by jan 31, then they are going to have to pay his salary. Why not look around the AL and see if they can grab a mid level prospect or 2...maybe even a journeyman starter to keep around and trade him to a team where he can be DH. The Astros would have to assume most of the salary but unless they file a claim, they will have to pay him anyway.
     
  15. Furious Jam

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    I think it will all work out. If Jeff can't consistently throw from 1st to 3rd by the time spring training is over, I think he'll voluntarily retire and save the team money that way. He may stick around a little longer through extended spring, but if he just can't throw, he's not going to go on the IL all season and have the club pay him - I think he's a better man than that.

    The real problem would be what if he could both throw and hit, but did both below average? Will he be objective enough to see that Mike Lamb is the better player now and that he's holding the club back? I hope so. I want Jeff to stay in the organization for a long time, but that kind of friction wouldn't help.

    Of course, if he can throw okay and hit about .270 with 80 RBIs, that would solve all of these problems. But I'm not betting on that.
     
  16. NJRocket

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    i think his money is guaranteed.....i think the only way out of paying him is the insurance
     
  17. msn

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    I'm not betting on it either (I know you're stunned by that), but I certainly *wish* it were the case.

    At any rate, I think this $17 Mill is owed to Jeff for having been underpaid for years. Too bad they can't simply restructure it and spread it out to help the organization this year and next. If that were somehow possible, how many folks here would have a problem paying $5 Million for a pretty good bat off the bench?
     
  18. NJRocket

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    Truthfully...Its hard to feel bad for either side here.

    Yes Bags sucked it up (hard to call making 5-10 mil/yr sucking it up) in previous years but this is a business and he knows that better than anyone.

    On the other hand, McLane asked Bags for a favor way back when and now its time to pay the piper.

    This has the potential to end ugly unfortunately...because I really like Bags.
     
  19. Furious Jam

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    I don't think he would get paid if he retired. I'm sure he got some signing bonus up-front that he's still collecting in installments, which is all good. But if he just said, "I can't play anymore", the club wouldn't have to pay him his regular salary (which is a lot). I might be wrong, but I think that's how it works.

    Anyway, Drayton's money is always my last concern - he's got plenty. My concern is about Bag's ability to make a consistent and positive contribution to this club this year (in statistical terms, not intangibles or whatever). If he can't do that, but doesn't retire, you risk the season and you might damage Bagwell's relationship with both the club and the fans. In terms of what's best for the franchise and the fans, he might be worth more retired than in the lineup at this point.
     
  20. OldManBernie

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    Bagwell would get fully compensated, but insurance would reimburse the team a big chunk of the contract.
     

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