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Jeremy Lin's upside

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. dialtone888

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    who's plan A , who's B, it doesn't matter(to me atleast) it's in the past.
     
  2. Spiegel

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    Dragic is a better playmaker/passer and with superior court vision. He is also a much better on ball defender with a better mid-range and 3pt game. Lin is a better pure scorer with better dribble penetration.Right now there both equal so who knows who will have the better career.
     
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    Their court vision is the same.
    Their shooting is actually the same.

    Dragic is a much better ball handler and passer.
    Dragic is a better defender (he's longer and faster).
    Dragic is a much better finisher / transition player.

    Lin...is deadly in crunch time.
     
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    Dragic is a better shooter. I think there finishing and transition game is the same. But honestly there both really good and comparable in similar ways and they both have a small sample size as a starter. Only difference is one is younger so may have more upside. It is harder to say who will have the better career.
     
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    18.6 ppg
    7.0 apg
    3.3 rpg
     
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    His stats during his linsanity period, reminded me of the stats of Steve Francis. Ball dominate guard that is turnover prone. But feels the stat sheet nicely, but doesn't have hops or rebound that much compared to Francis.
     
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    Lin simply has a better feel for the PG position and for that reason, he shouldn't be compared to Francis. Francis was way too quick to pick up his dribble, something that Lin doesn't do. Also, Lin ascension into the NBA is from a completely different trajectory as Francis. Lin lacks the athleticism and stardom that landed Francis a fat contract right off the bat.

    If Francis was the PNR player that Lin is today, he would still have a job in the league.
     
  8. TEXNIFICENT

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    So Lin > Prime Steve Francis?
     
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    Lin's work ethic and determination is greater than his upside. This is his greatest strength.
     
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    As a PG and primary ball handler, yes! Steve Francis potential unrealized for so many reasons. Lin is an overachiever that has broken records as an undrafted free agent playing on the Knicks.
     
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    Who's the better basketball player? Lin or Prime Steve Francis?
     
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    Dragic is not as athletic as Lin. From the NBA combine numbers:

    "So how fast is Jeremy Lin?

    BAM gives three numbers: average speed, start speed, and top-end speed. BAM translates this into miles per hour. Average speed is calculated by an algorithm that averages start speed and top speed. Start speed is the first burst of speed, the acceleration phase. Top speed is shifting gears out of the acceleration to one’s peak speed. Here’s how Lin’s BAM numbers compare in the 25 yard sprint.

    AVERAGE SPEED

    Jeremy Lin: 16.66 mph

    Derrick Rose: 16.60 mph

    John Wall: 16.48 mph

    Kyrie Irving: 15.67 mph

    Lin wins this battle.

    START SPEED

    Lin: 13.93 mph

    Wall: 13.25 mph

    Irving: 12.64 mph

    For Rose, BAM has only average speed data.

    Lin wins this battle too.

    TOP SPEED

    Lin: 18.85 mph

    Wall: 19.30 mph

    Irving: 18.74 mph

    Lin comes in second to Wall."

    http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/03/life-in-the-fast-lane/

    So presumably Lin has more upside.
     
  13. formido

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    Well, unless Dragic is also faster than Wall and Irving. And Lin.
     
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    Lin doesn't blow by his man every time because of he's "clever with the ball" or has "deceptive speed" or anything like that.
     
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    Reno Bighorns 10-11 vs NY Knicks 11-12

    Check out Lin's per 40 pace adjusted stats from his first D-league season with the Reno Bighorns in 2010-11 compared to his stats with the Knicks in 2011-12 (via basketball-reference.com and draftexpress.com):

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    TEAM  PTS FGM  FGA  FG% 3PM 3PA  3P% FTM FTA  FT%  TS% REB AST  TO STL BLK  PF  PER WS48
    ----  --- ---  ---  --- --- ---  --- --- ---  ---  --- --- ---  -- --- ---  --  --- ----
    REN  22.4 7.6 16.4 .477 0.9 2.2 .389 5.8 8.1 .718 .560 7.2 5.4 3.4 2.5 0.4 3.3 21.0 .174
    NYK  21.1 7.1 15.8 .446 1.0 3.1 .320 6.0 7.5 .798 .552 4.4 8.9 5.4 2.3 0.4 3.2 19.9 .140
    
    Despite the NBA's superior competition, Lin's shooting and scoring effectiveness was eerily similar. The only major differences I see are in rebounding, assists and turnovers. The decrease in rebounds is due to playing with guys like Chandler, Stat and Melo. The increase in assists, turnovers and slight increase in AST/TO ratio shows his transition into becoming the primary playmaker on a team (he played in more of a combo guard role with Reno, sharing PG duties with Donald Sloan).

    This to me is indicative of Lin's upside. In a year's time he was able to completely transition his success from the D-League to the NBA. Not even the recent notable D-League to NBA success stories like JJ Barea, Aaron Brooks, and Danny Green were able to do this in their first year after their breakout D-League seasons. This is also why I expect a leap in performance this year as well. People like to say that teams will adjust to him and he will regress to the mean. What they don't realize is that Lin has the advantage in this situation. While teams are busy adjusting to him, he's adjusting right back, counter-moves, developing his left hand, lethal floaters, 3 pointers, etc.
     
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    Fail big time :p

    Third time the charm.

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    Lin is better than even the prime Stevie Franchise. Stevie's best year was his sophomore season, before the headaches, etc. Lin's best year, of course, was last season, which was basically his only year. So here are some stats per 36 minutes of playing time in those seasons:

    Lin:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;FG%=0.446&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Assists=8.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rebounds=4.1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Points=19.6
    F:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;FG%=0.451&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Assists=5.8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rebounds=6.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Points=17.9

    (Remember, these numbers are per 36 minutes. I really wish there was a way to line up numbers in columns.)

    Stevie was microscopically better at shooting but scored less than Lin. Stevie was also a better rebounder. However, Lin is vastly better at passing, and this is more important since a great passer can dominate a game. Also, an assist doesn't happen unless somebody definitely scores, whereas a rebound may or may not affect the scoreboard.

    So Lin passes much better and scores more -- and the scary thing is that he's likely to improve. Lin is better.
     

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