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Jeremy Lin won't shoot 3pters and it's killing the team.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by James88, Nov 10, 2013.

  1. blunto

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    Sounds like some of you guys don't like to hear "regression" because it commonly carries a negative connotation. The suggestions of regression in this thread (I assume) are referring to statistical regression, specifically the concept of regression/reversion to the mean.

    In a sports context, different writers have different pet names for this concept: Whirlpool Principle, Plexiglass Principle, fluke rule, etc., as it applies to their pet topics.

    The "hot streak" idea absolutely applies here. A player's shooting percentage regresses to its mean when it falls from a "hot streak" rate in the same way that it regresses when it increases back to a season or career average when that player breaks a "shooting slump."

    Don't get all bent out of shape when you hear "regression." I don't see anybody suggesting, for example, that Lin's skills are retrogressing.

    If you want to learn more about regression to the mean (and maybe have a basic understanding of statistics under your belt), this is a pretty good primer as it applies to a basketball shooting percentage concept.
     
  2. Type Raba

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    anyone else think even his misses look better? legit 40% 3pt shooter? who knows. better than last year? unquestionable.
     
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    lol you gotta also realize, brooks has not sniffed VERY many minutes of playing time. Of course he's going to jack it up. He has to make use of his minutes coming off the bench. Have to look at the context of the situation. Brooks is also not a PG - he is more of a scorer first as well, so he looks for his shot first. Lin has a tendency to want to try to get his teammates involved. I think he needs to change his mindset a little to score first because he's coming off the bench now. But it's fine, because today in the 4th QTR that's when he is most aggressive - which he scored 10 pts int he 4th.
     
  4. DL24

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    absolutely, Lin, by nature, is very unselfish which is to his detriment statistically when he could easily put up 25 points give his high skill level as a shooter and driver. Unfortunately, if you've noticed, a lot of rockets have a "gotta get mine"...casspi, parsons, dmo just to name a few
     
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    You are delusional as ****.
     
  6. torocan

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    Uh, no... 25 points is high end all star territory and Lin's nowhere near that yet.

    I could see 18-20 points potentially, but that's probably not this season if he get there at all. 16-18 would be very good and achievable.
     
  7. rocketsfan4

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    HOF Isiah Thomas never even averaged 23 points a game in any season he played, and that is with him playing far heavier minutes than Lin and with the ball in his hands literally the entire game. In fact he never even broke 20 in his last 7 seasons.
     
  8. Tommyboys

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    hes taking those 3s now and its still killing the team!
     
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  9. Sydeffect

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    My god, every Jeremy Lin criticism thread is at least 15 pages long
     
  10. DL24

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    ok 25 might be abit high, but that is more to do with circumstance rather than ability... he was getting over 18ppg before his inexplicable 17min benching last game....it simply comes down to attempts, u need shots to get your points, Lin is getting his average on 10 shots a game, if he took a realistic number of shots for a star level pg, ie. 15 shots, he could def get over 20ppg not to mention near double digit assists
     
  11. muas2010

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    No doubt that Lin on a team like Cleveland or Bobcats will probably put up 20+ points and 7+ assists, since he will be their number option. However, just like Walker and Irving....the team will still have a bad record.
     
  12. James88

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    It's Lin's own fault that he's not shooting and scoring more, in order to play a style that actually hurts the Rockets. It's not unselfish of him, as much as it just stupid. He's passing up good shots for himself, for poorer ones for his teammates while also increasing the risk of turnovers. Shoot the 3pter every time you have it, like Brooks did this game.
     
  13. LLDD117

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    I thought he had 19 tonight and Rockets win the game without their superstar. WTF are you talking about?:confused::confused:
     
  14. Billionzz

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    People just like to b**** about everything.

    Lin is having a very good year and he is the Rockets most consistent performer. He had one game that wasn't so good, but it may have been a lot better if he had more playing time.

    Lin's stats
    16.5 ppg
    50.7 fg%
    411 3 fg%

    What great stats for Lin, he has shown a lot of improvement.
    There is no reason at all that people should complain about Lin unless the have an agenda.
     
  15. Pumpedupkicks

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    Since some are still piling on complaints, here's mine: Lin needs to work on his FTs. What's the point of getting cut and banged up if you keep on leaving points at the charity line? Come on, at least try to stay above 80%.
     
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    Agreed, but 2 bad games, Dallas and Clippers.
     
  17. Billionzz

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    He wasn't great in the clippers game but he wasn't horrible either. He shot 3 for 7, and had 7 assist.
     
  18. JasonXXX

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    Why do you guys keep replying in this thread? The OP wanted Lin to chuck 3s even when he's not feeling it. Since this thread, Lin's percentages have been going down. If you want to defend Lin, do it on another thread and let this one die.
     
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    What is this nonsense? How does Jeremy go about feeling it or not feeling it?

    You shoot the ball. It goes in, or it doesn't. So, if it doesn't go in a few times, he's not feeling it. If it goes in a few times, he's feeling it.

    Do you really believe in this nonsense? You shoot, and you go through streaks. Flip a coin 100 or 1,000 times. Chart the heads and tails. Look at all the wild streaks of heads or tails that show up. The coin isn't feeling heads or feeling tails.

    In order to maximize his contribution to the team, he has to shoot more 3pters.
     

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