Jeremy Lin with Rockets > Jeremy Lin with Knicks

Honestly that's a little strawmen also.

I don't want 1) Lin to be the star of every game.

All I want is 1) Lin to be treated and judged FAIRLY. And I think you'll find most LOFs are like that.

To tell the truth 2) is more like 1.1) for me now. I've really grown fond of the Rockets watching them all season long, though some of the attitude and trolling on these forums does leave a bad taste in my mouth sometimes.

Harden is definitely the best player.

I'm not convinced he's the best leader and I'm certain he's not the best Point guard. But we might have to agree to disagree on that.

 

Jeremy will only get better from here on out. He was basically a rookie last season and at the start of this season.

 

While I agree for the most part, thy counting is not thy strongest suit

 

He commits stupid mistakes when he needs a rest, really awful turnovers and those fouls where he just lazily runs into the shooter (he's done that in both the games this year), coupled with according to the GM, he wasn't 100% until the last month.

Yes he gets yanked sometimes, whereas Harden doesn't, Harden is being given a much longer leash, it's not just the coach but the GM there, Harden is that guy, but he does need to learn how to be better at being that guy, and it's coming along well. Lin on the other hand has times where he just won't shoot, which for a shoot first pg is really bad. It's clear Mchale doesn't mind him shooting, as long as they're good shots, missing happens.

 

I don't want Lin to be the star of every game, you putting words in my mouth there. At the start of the season I might not have watched the Rockets' sans Lin. If Lin was out sick for the playoffs, I'd still watch and support the Rockets. Though my affinity isn't yet strong enough that I'd keep following them if he left in the off season.

I've made long posts on the issue of team fandom before. People become fans of teams for different reasons. My cousin started following Manchester City because of Roque Santa Cruz as he was a fan of that player. Cruz only lasted a couple of seasons with City but my cousin is a die hard City fan now.

When a team is a big international team or wants to be one, then this kind of thing is bound to happen. The only thing that would stop me from becoming a full fledged Rockets' fan is if I feel unwelcome and unfairly disparaged by the existing fanbase.

 

More like my editing is not my strongest suit. I initially had two points, then I added in a third but didn't go back and edit above in the post. But it's a bit of a facetious thing to focus on isn't it?

 

I accept that Lin isn't going to get the same leeway as Harden, and I think that's fair enough. But I also think that Mchale has been too harsh on him at times and I think it's because he hasn't really had faith in him, which I believe is a carry over from when Lin was cut last season by this same coaching staff.

I'd like to think that Lin has EARNED a little more faith by now, but Mchale seems like a bit of a stubborn old goat at times.

 

The thing is, Linsanity, wont get up deep in the playoffs. Yes its fun to watch, but when push comes to shove we need to build around our best player, like any team would. Players have to make sacrifices, and everybody on the Rockets knows Harden is the man, he is the LEADER of the team, and players will have to make individual sacrifices because as Lin said himself, while its fun to be THE pg, the team is so much more dangerous with Harden as the focalpoint. Its about buying into the team concept, believing in what they're doing, and I think the fact we are 10 games over .500 with potentially the most inexperienced playoff bound team in NBA history, should turn a few player only fans to think, maybe this is working.

 

A car is an individual purchase, a basketball team is a shared experience by design.

 

ya. what's Knicks mascot anyway?

 

I'm a fan of teams full of character guys who play exciting basketball, not of a franchise. If all the players of a team change over, then it's a different team. I never bought into being a fan just because of what city they happen to play in.

I believe that Lin one way or another has a positive effect on the chemistry of a team, and both the Knicks and Rockets are objectively more likable because of him.

 

I think a lot of the LOF's will evolve into Rocket fans. Once they realize the fun of following a team and all of the moves and such, I would think they would understand that that is much more enjoyable than only following one player. But there is nothing wrong with having a favorite player and wanting him to do well as long as it's not at the teams expense.

 

there are winning players and there are stats players (see: Marbury, Sprewell, etc). Lin is glue (not the sticky kind), and that comes from his smarts, knowing how to keep teammates happy. The rest of his game, the stats part, the understanding of the nuances, etc., have been coming along as he is obviously learning from playing and playing, learning from the benchings, learning from the mistakes; and these have certainly made him better than the NY version.

The absence of Melo alone already makes the Lin-Rockets situation better. Harden seems to have more of the winning qualities while Melo more of the stats qualities type of player.

 

May be so if more old timers with the mindset like yours, may be not if there're more old timers like tinman.

 

I don't want Lin to be the star focus of the game, he'll end up in the ER one day if he is. I enjoy him playing well behind Harden so he can do what he wants and teams have to pick their poison. The most important thing for people like me that follow Lin is that the team is happy, Lin is happy and he is playing unselfishly for the Lord. Only fake Lin fans want him pulling 20/10 every night. I agree in that I think he's playing better now than during Linsanity, the only thing that made Linsanity was the same ingredients in the Rockets game, teamwork, ball movement, heart and dedication and good chemistry. If Lin played Iso Melody ball I'd be as much of a Lin critic as anyone.

 

I am in nyc so i dont have access to postgame stuff. Would love to see some more analysis from calvin in general as i ALWAYS felt he had great insight into our teams in the past. Would it be too much to request postgame show vids?

 

Sigh. Dude you just derailed this feel good thread. Can i introduce you to a kenny rogers song called the gambler? This kind of thread is definetely a good time to fold em

 

Harden is the man, the LEADING scorer of the team, not necessarily the LEADER of the team.