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Jeremy Lin - Pre-Knicks Game Media Blitz

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RoxOn RoxOff, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. souvlaki

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    that's ridiculous.
     
  2. roxxy

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    To late Lin is gonna suck now.

    No he isn't a 6-10 PG yet. I'd say he is 10-15 but has the potential to be 6-10. We will see how the season progresses.
     
  3. Doppleganger

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    Also keep in mind that most of those guards are central to the offense of their respective teams. Lin in our case was meant to be an adjunct to Harden and Howard (a la Mario Chalmers on the Heat), and in general, doesn't get as much opportunity to create as he should.
     
  4. raskol

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    That would only happen if Lin plays poorly or if the Rockets play poorly. Either way, that is not cool.
     
  5. yummyhawtsauce

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    Ian O Connor is def a Lin fan lol. He always writes him in a positive light.

    Hoping tonight will be magical not just for Lin, but the Rockets team. Linsanity + W
     
  6. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    If those two are removed, it would be the top 3. So adding in those two, would make it the top 5.

    lol?
     
  7. akuma

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    there's a pretty big drop off after Rondo and Deron Williams who are All-Star level when healthy and playing well. anyway, if Lin broke into that group (where's Lowry? :grin: ), he would be top 15 which is only above average starter.
     
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    umm Rubio is soooooo overrated.. Deron has taken a huge decline.. look at the Net's record.. Rondo can't shoot.. .. and the rest of the guys Lin can definitely match at least statistically.. Conley, LAwson, Jrue, etc are all good but not amazing. I don't have a problem categorizing lin in with those guys.
     
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    in b4 the NY Media gangs up on Lin ala CF if he plays terrible tonight.
     
  10. roxxy

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    This is all very subjective who ranks where. My point is that Lin right now is at the 10-15 range but has the potential to be in the 6-10 range. I think we can all agree with that? And I have felt he has been at that range since post ASB last year his play this season further solidifies it. My hope is that by the end of this year he is in the 6-10 range more specifically the 8-10 range.
     
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    I feel like on clutchfans he's very underrated. His shooting leaves a lot to be desired, but in just about every other facet of the game he is very good.
     
  12. Vestax

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    Curry does more than just shooting. A lot of doubters do not watch Warriors play. Box scores and playoffs doesn't describe what he does.
     
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    I think Rubio's vision is actually a little better than Lin's. He makes some amazing passes.
     
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    really? can you tell michael jackson could moonwalk?
     
  15. knickstorm

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    He's too fragile though with them Grant HIll ankles.

    NY media has nothing else to do, the team is in a sad state. THe owner went out and guaranteed victory last night........against the freaking Hawks!!! Who does that!??!
     
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    JR Smith's brother is on the Knicks?!?!

    That is hilarious. Dolan is a joke. You know this came from him.
     
  17. aesthetics80

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    Lin is definitely better than Conley. How many 30+ point games has Conley had? He's just amazingly consistently mediocre.

    Deron is past his prime. Rondo can't shoot.

    I also love how Rubio gets a pass for shooting 35% FG, worse than most people's 3 point percentage, just because he gets highlight reel assists once in a while.
     
  18. James88

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    I'd put Lin in the top 10-20. He's had 2 great games, and he may have top 10 potential, but his total performance so far isn't of a top10 PG.

    Yeah, Lin isn't in Rubio's league when it comes to vision. Lin makes smart passes that he can see, but Rubio has elite vision and can see available passes that Lin can't.
     
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    [ESPN(NY)]Knicks let Lin walk for nada? Foolish!

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    Knicks let Lin walk for nada? Foolish!

    COMMENTARY
    Knicks let Lin walk for nada? Foolish!
    Owner James Dolan's quest to rid the Garden of Linsanity has backfired -- big time.
    Updated: November 14, 2013, 1:47 AM ET
    By Ian O'Connor | ESPNNewYork.com

    PHILADELPHIA -- The demotion of Jeremy Lin to sixth man of the Houston Rockets emboldened the doubters and haters of Gotham to declare his firing by the New York Knicks -- and that's what it was, a firing -- a rare show of prudence by a franchise that leads the league in anything but.

    Yet 16 months after James Dolan confiscated his playbook and keys to the gym, Lin still represents a move that's even dumber than the sight and sound of any NBA owner guaranteeing a mid-November victory over the Atlanta Hawks, of all teams.

    He was still 23 when the Knicks declined to match his three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet with Houston and let him walk without receiving any compensation in return. Twenty three. Gone. For nothing.

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    Jesse D. Garrabrant/NBAE/Getty Images
    The Knicks gave up on the 23-year-old Jeremy Lin.
    Starting in place of the injured James Harden on Wednesday night, two nights after he scored 31 off the bench against Toronto, Lin finished with an old-fashioned Linsanity line of 34 points and 12 assists in an overtime loss to the Philadelphia 76ers, sinking enough 3-pointers (nine) to neutralize his turnovers (eight).

    "Obviously, I've been trying to get better with it," Lin said of his shooting touch, "and want to get better at it." He was downcast at his locker, blaming himself for not making more plays when it mattered most. He didn't want to talk much about his new and improved game because, you know, a loss is a loss.

    On to the big city, the place where it all started. When Lin returns Thursday to the Garden, where he hit Raymond Felton and the Knicks for 22 points and eight assists last December to beat them for a second straight time, he will do so wishing that his former crowd would pay more attention to Dwight Howard, the new franchise center.

    "I'm hoping I'll be a subplot," Lin said.

    A subplot? No, that isn't possible, and not only because his frantic run of Linsanity was once billed by the Garden as the greatest show on earth, no juggling clowns or trapeze acts required.

    Lin symbolizes Dolan's temper-driven and tone-deaf brand of mismanagement, and the problems with a Knicks roster long on ill-fitting parts and short on the youth and upside that define the 6-foot-3 Rockets guard. Lin is shooting 54 percent from the floor and a staggering 51 percent from 3-point range, numbers that put the entire Knicks roster to shame.

    "When he plays with confidence," Howard said, "he's amazing."

    And when he doesn't, he's not.

    Lin remains a developing talent trying to figure out his place in the league. In a short but dizzying period of time, he went from thrice-fired scrub to global phenomenon, from Knicks outcast to freshly signed Rockets savior, from complementary first-string part (after Harden's acquisition) to an instant offense option off the pine (after Howard's acquisition and Patrick Beverley's promotion).


    It's been a lot for him to handle. Lin has admitted that he was obsessed last season with trying to duplicate Linsanity in Houston, a failure that left him confronting sleepless nights and a joyless journey from practice to practice, game to game.

    "I think for a while," said his coach, Kevin McHale, "he wanted to know if he was actually Jeremy Lin from Harvard or if he was Linsanity, and that's … really hard for young kids."

    Especially if he's unsure if his coach truly believes in him. As much as McHale tried to sell Lin's move to the second string as a mutual agreement reached after conversations with all parties and point guards involved, a source close to the situation said Lin felt blindsided by the loss of his job.

    "It was a blow to Jeremy, a big blow," the source said, "because he definitely wanted to start. But he rebounded pretty quickly and realized this would allow him some time away from Harden and more freedom with the ball."

    After Hakeem Olajuwon raved about Lin over the summer and called his potential tandem with Howard "very deadly" during workouts in Aspen, Colo., people close to the point guard wondered why McHale didn't make it clear publicly that Lin wasn't so much beat out by Beverley, a meat-and-potatoes grinder, as he was liberated from Harden's ball-dominating ways.

    In the end, it's on Lin to learn how to survive and thrive in a system built around two prominent figures who weren't Rockets when the Knicks let him go.

    "I didn't sign with Houston expecting that we would have Dwight and James today," Lin said. "That was just something that happened. … In the beginning of last year, we saw some huge struggles with me and James. Not just me and James, but everybody just trying to mesh together.

    "This year, it's not like we don't have any of those issues. There still are chemistry problems. Not problems, but there are still things that we're still trying to get better at."

    If he'd stayed in New York, Lin would've had to navigate his way through a similar, if shorter, adjustment period with a healthy Carmelo Anthony. The Knicks should've bet their money on that partnership working out.

    If Lin was a magician under Mike D'Antoni, pulling magazine covers out of his hat, he was hardly a bust under D'Antoni's replacement. Lin was 6-1 with Woodson, scored 19, 18 and 18 points in consecutive games, and averaged 13.3 points and 5.4 assists in 28 minutes before his sore knee gave out.

    In fact, Woodson promised that Lin would be his future starter and that the Knicks would "absolutely" match Houston's reported first offer of four years and $28.8 million. That pledge doomed the Lin-Knicks marriage. Houston upgraded its offer over three years and included a poison-pill wage of nearly $15 million in 2014-'15, when the Knicks' big-bucks commitments to Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Tyson Chandler would leave them locked in luxury-tax hell.

    Dolan threw another one of his tantrums over Lin's alleged disloyalty, and the owner who was supposed to give his fan base one advantage (and only one) -- his willingness to spend, spend, spend, even on the most suspect of players -- suddenly decided to close down the bank.

    Of course, if Dolan really wanted to keep Lin, he could've signed him for four years and $24 million at the start of free agency. He could've kept Lin and Felton. He could've paid the reasonable $5 million salaries in Years 1 and 2 of the Houston deal, and then traded one of his expiring contracts (even Lin's) to a team looking for a near-future salary dump. Or, in the unlikely case that Lin flopped, Dolan could've cut the point guard before Year 3 and used the stretch-provision clause in the labor agreement to spread the salary-cap hit over three seasons.

    "It never made sense what the Knicks did there," said an Eastern Conference executive who monitored the Lin transaction. "The league set up the restricted free-agent system to protect teams, and you never want to lose an asset for nothing when you have the right to match.

    "Lin's wasn't a $60 million contract; it was a reasonable number even with the poison pill. It just seemed that egos got in the way there."

    The Knicks deny that, of course, and it doesn't really matter anymore. They turned their team over to Felton, four years older than Lin, and to Jason Kidd and Pablo Prigioni, a lot older than that.

    Glen Grunwald, the GM who executed this plan? He got fired by Dolan because his Ice Age roster crumbled down the stretch.

    Now the Knicks have only one young player of any promise, Iman Shumpert, who might be the next Knick on the next train out of town. Anyone really think Jeremy Lin, 25, couldn't help this team as a starter or reserve?

    "I don't know if Lin will ever be a top-five point guard in the league," said the Eastern Conference executive, "but I could see him on the next level, from six to 10. And that's not a bad thing."

    Not even close.

    "I think he's playing fantastic for us," McHale said.

    In his first full season as a starter, without the benefit of a training camp with Harden, Lin overcame his burdens in a new market by making all 82 starts and delivering a season that was virtually the statistical equal of Felton's.

    He's playing at a higher level now, averaging 18.1 points per game. His perimeter stroke is vastly improved, and so is his willingness to attack the basket without fear.

    "It might sound crazy," Lin said, "but I still think it's early for me. I still think it's early in my development phase."

    Which is precisely why Jim Dolan's Knicks were damn fools to let him walk for nothing.
     
  20. Knightrogen

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    Hope Linsanity returns tonight. NYC is a big stage for a big game.
     

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