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Jazz vs. Hip Hop...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by cson, Oct 17, 2000.

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  1. cson

    cson Contributing Member

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    I'm currently pouring through CDNOW, and am calling on all Music/Jazz/Hip Hop fans to list their favorite artists &/or album (all time or current).

    Me First:

    Jazz: Charles Mingus "Mingus,Mingus,Mingus,Mingus, Mingus" (Most beautiful stand-up bass ever)


    Hip Hop: Tribe Called Quest "Low End Theory", (simply classic, affirmed genre' as music)(Also I'm diggin' the new De La album and Jurrasic 5's "Quality Control")


    Your turn...

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  2. Nuggets4

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    I love jazz. I'm a drummer, so my collection is largely drummers.

    Buddy Rich
    Louie Bellson - met him, the nicest man ever
    Tony Williams
    Shelly Manne
    Art Blakey

    Non-Drummers
    Pat Metheny
    B.B. King (I know, he's a blues artist)
    Jonny Lang (I know, blues)
    Michael Brecker
    Miles Davis (Kind Of Blue -- greatest album EVER)
    McCoy Tyner

    The list could go on and on (can you tell I'm a music major with an emphasis in jazz? [​IMG] ).

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  3. dylan

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    It's kinda funny how everyone says Kind of Blue is the best jazz album ever. I really really like Blue but I think both Coltrane and Mingus had better albums. "Crescent", by Coltrane is fantastic and Mingus' "The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady" is my favorite album ever. Sometimes I really think people jump on the Kind of Blue bandwagon because if you say it's not the best then people might think you don't know anything about jazz.

    Nuggets4, check Crescent and Black Saint out sometime if you are not familier with those albums. I am pretty confident you will love them. Especially check out The Drum Thing from Crescent. Elvin Jones goes crazy on the drums. [​IMG]

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  4. Nuggets4

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    Dylan, heard 'em and they're great. I just can't say they're better than Kind Of Blue.

    Also, when it comes to singers, you have to love Diana Krall. That voice. Wow.

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  5. cson

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    yeah Krall's got the voice of an angel

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  6. TeXaSalsa

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    Im a hip hop fan. and i white hahaha. but im a teenager so im excused. hahaha

    i love DMX
    and then there was X is really good

    i like ja rule
    i have his new one Rule 3:36

    i like big tymers
    ive liked juvenile before he blew up

    i like the roots

    i like jayz

    i like dr. dre alot
    ive heard a little of THe Chronic
    and i really like the Dr Dre Chronic 2001 album

    i think some of 2pacs songs r great
    some of them r .. not that great

    i really really like beanie sigel

    eve and amil r the only 2 female rappers that r good

    and of course i like eminem alot- his new single "stan" is awesome. i like dido the girl on that song. i just htink "stan" is an awesome song

    who i dont care for alot

    notorious BIG
    puff daddy
    lil kim
    busta rhymes- hes ok
    master P
    no limit
    Drag-On
    Jadakiss
    snoop dogg- sorry i think he is overrated
    xzibit is ok
    LL COOL J- uggh


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  7. Nuggets4

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    The Roots are cool. At least they're a hip hop group that actually plays their own instruments.

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  8. TeXaSalsa

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    I like the roots alot. they actually have meaningful songs.

    "you got me" f/ ericka badu
    is an awesome awesome song

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    Nuggets4:

    Miles & Krall!!!!! My estimation of you has gone up so far, I can't look down. And you're from Denver?

    My new best friend.
     
  10. Nuggets4

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    Close. Greeley, Colorado where I'm going to college. It's roughly one hour from Denver. Close enough for comfort, far enough, well, so I can see most games without them being blacked out. :)

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  11. cson

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    hey dylan, what's the best Coltrane? Crescent? (I'm specifically lookin' for laid-back)

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    Texas Salsa--

    You like "And Then There Was X" but you think that some of 2Pac's songs are not that good?

    You're sure hearing something I'm not... [​IMG]

    IMHO, that album was a lot worse than his first two. And none of them can measure up to All Eyez on Me.

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    Pat Metheny is great! I saw him live once. If I wouldn't have seen it, I wouldn't have believed it was humanly possible to play a guitar like that. That man is one with his instrument. Diana Krall is from Vancouver Island, from Naniamo, I believe. She's probably a Grizzlies fan. [​IMG] Here's a funny quote from a page I just found.

    Diana recalls auditioning for her first gig at a local restaurant called the NHL, "I think it is very fitting for a Canadian Jazz artist's first gig to be in a very nice hockey bar."

    There are some contrasting images for you. http://www.dkrall.com/index2.html


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  14. dylan

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    Sorry for the delay, i missed you question at first...

    The two coltrane albums I recommend to listeners unfamilier with his work are "My Favorite Things" and "Crescent". Coltrane recorded almost all of his albums with two labels: Atlantic and Impulse. Atlantic was his more mainstream label while Impulse was where he experimented with new harmonic structures and his "sheets of sound" approach.

    My Favorite Things is probably Coltrane's most listenable album that doesn't get too far out. That album is on the Atlantic label and was intended to be a stepping stone into more experimental jazz.

    Crescent is on the Impulse label (like the more famous A Love Supreme) but is also relatively accessable. The melodic structures on Crescent are all exquisite. This is the album that I listen to when going to sleep more often than not. It is more laid-back than A Love Supreme and I think is Coltrane's most underrated album. Try to find some samples on mp3 or something to see if you want to buy the album.

    dylan

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    cson, I forgot to ask what are your favorite Mingus albums? I only have Blues and Roots, Black Saint, Mingus Ah Um, and Mingus Dynasty. I really really want to get some of his live concerts such as the Antibes and Carnegie Hall performances.

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    Salsa--

    I didn't mean to suggest that you SAID All Eyez was a bad album...sorry. [​IMG]

    I was just saying that IMHO, It's Dark... and Flesh of my Flesh were both better albums than And Then There Was X. I like DMX, but IMHO, he jocked Pac's style big time, and, to be perfectly blunt, I think he needs to get his barking A$$ back to the studio and start making albums like his first one. Personally, I don't like the last album, with the exception of "Why do Good Girls Like Bad Guys" "What these ******* want" and "Party Up."

    Didn't mean to offend...I don't need ANOTHER Coach Sampson thread... [​IMG]



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  17. BobFinn*

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    Nuggets4, I have a box set of Miles Davis, Tony Williams is on quite a few of the tracks. It is by far, the best drumming I have ever heard. I am a guitarist, so I know a little bit about music.

    Also Miles "Kind Of Blue" is my favorite jazz album/CD.

    Little known band from san fransisco, T.J.Kirk, is worth checking out. They play covers of T.Monk, James Brown and Roland Kirk. Good stuff.

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  18. TeXaSalsa

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    slcrocket

    just my taste. i think some of 2pacs songs r really good. i like DMX's whole album though. i thought Flesh of my flesh wasnt good at all. its dark and hell is hot was pretty good, but like and then there was x the best.

    i like fame, whats my name, what these #%# want, party up, one more road to cross, make a move, and a few others.

    like

    changes
    cali love
    troublesome 96
    brendas got a baby
    me against the world
    dear mama
    keep ya head up 2

    those r some songs i really like

    but i dont like some of the other songs

    i dont like

    to live and die in LA
    keep ya head up
    unconditional love
    i aint mad at cha
    and a couple others i really dont care for

    u can say X is alot like 2pac in a few ways. but they r 2 different artists. and i have different tastes than alot of people. i never said all eyez on me was a bad album.




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    I'm into hip/hop and the album I'm feeling right now is:
    "Mr. Marcelo From the Ghetto - Brick Livin"
    My favourtie would have to be "Rakim - The 18th Letter"

    I also like the following artists:

    Warren G
    Nate Dogg
    Snoop Dogg
    Dr.Dre
    DMX
    Capone
    Noreaga
    LL Cool J
    Wu-Tang Clan
    Ma$e
    Nas
    Onyx <------ One of my favourites!!!
    Ruff Ryders
    Salt-n-Pepa
    Wreckx-n-Effect <----- Old but still catchy!

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  20. Nuggets4

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    Which box set is this? At first I thought it was the Coltrane/Davis box set, but Williams didn't play with them during that era (hell, I believe he was 10 then!).

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