It is pretty scary to consider how much better a season Brady could have had with a healthy Gronk and a semblance of a true #1 WR....
What is the fascination behind Jimmy G? Brady's backup? So was Hoyer. So was Mallett. Osweiler was Manning's backup. Draft a gotdamn quarteback. This franchise is so damn delusional and Im sick of it.
Texans apparently scouted him prior and really liked him... enough to where the Pats got wind and made the same independent determination. He has good footwork, good arm, and most importantly.... an ability to make quick reads/decisions in the pockets (something that is one of Osweiler's biggest deficiencies, in addition to his lack of accuracy and pocket awareness). And, his 2 game cameo this year was more than impressive. I'm sure you would have been thrilled had they drafted Bortles or Manziel 2 years ago.... or traded up for Goff or Wentz now. Drafting a QB that is anything but a sure-fire lock (Andrew Luck-types) has just as big (if not bigger) risk of failure.... and you're usually tied to them for more years.
I led the dont bring Manziel to the Texans campaign and so what? Less of an asset than the 72 million scrub we have currently.
I'm sure you really believe that. The fact that you still think he's getting paid 72 million is troubling...
Houston needs a PSA for real. It's one thing for national media to knowingly spit out trash narratives but for the locals to not even understand something like non-guaranteed contracts....there are so many just casual fans and fans of other teams here. Sigh... Either he was going to be good and get an extension or trash and get cut. There isn't a scenario where he was going to get 72 mil in 4 years. Regarding Garropolo and Romo, I'd be extremely wary of the Patriots being willing to trade a "good backup" when Brady is nearing the end. And for Romo, I'd STILL rather have Schaub. If there's one aged veteran I'd be ok pursuing...MAYBE Rivers. Super maybe. Probably not maybe. Maybe maybe.
Did you watch Jimmy play before he got injured? He was slightly more than impressive. Against the Cardinals (one of the best defenses in the league) and Dolphins, he completed 71% of his passes at 8.4 ypa, throwing for 4 TDs and 0 INT. I wouldnt put him in the same category as Mallett, Hoyer, and Co. He's quite a bit more than that based on his performance thus far. Im not saying he's a sure fire stud, but he's no more of a gamble than taking a 1st round pick on a QB. At the very least, he's shown, in 2 games, that he can play in the NFL...that's more than you can say about anyone entering the draft.
obviously its only 36 mil, Im not stupid. Just pointing out the irrational decisions this front office has made.
Actually the terms of the contract is what makes the contract rational. They signed the best available free agent QUARTERBACK to a contract that would allow them to cut him in two years if he didn't pan out. It's like the Tyrod Taylor contract except they get two years to make a decision on him.
At the time, Osweiler was the best option on the market...sure, we can look back on it and say that he's the worst QB to graze the NFL this century, but the correct move was made at that moment and it didnt work out. Luckily, we can get out of that deal prior to the 2018 season. Not sure what solution you had in mind, as the Texans needed to make the decision on Brock before the draft. If your solution was to avoid making any free agent acquisitions and just rely on the draft, then that's just as "irrational", given the draft position of the Texans. Would we be any better off had we selected Hackenburg, Brissett, Lynch (was projected to go before the Texans pick), Kessler, Cook? Unless you knew, 3 months before the draft, that Dak was the guy you'd go for during the first couple rounds (not many teams even considered taking him there), then there is no point in complaining about the Texans' decisions and handling of the situation.
When it comes to the QB situation, this administration has consistently handled the matter about as poorly as possible. From not drafting any viable options in the 1-2 rounds, to not developing any internal options and then in desperation thrown money at a QB in free agency that few within the NFL were impressed with. They deserve nothing but scorn for kicking the can down the road until backed into a corner. By the time the Texans have a viable starting QB, their defense will likely be a shell of what it currently is.
Did the same scouts that liked Osweiler scout Garoppolo? He might be good, but there is no guarantee. And a 1st and 3rd is way too much IMO. Give them a 3rd only.
How heartbreaking would it be to trade for another back up only to be caught up in more dead weight. Romo can get us to the big game if healthy but that is questionable if he stays healthy. Jimmy G had some decent games just as brock did. I'd trade some back end draft picks for a romo rental and also draft a qb with my first pick. We cant go another season without a competent qb. We need a legit backup plan like watson.
Outside of passing on Bridgewater and Carr (which were horrible misses), what other viable options in the first 2 rounds have we missed on? Certainly wasn't Bortles and Manziel in 2014, the next 2 QBs taken after Winston/Mariota in 2015 were Garrett Grayson and Sean Mannion in the 3rd, Lynch and Hackenburg last year? I agree that the Texans have fumbled their QB situation badly but the draft is just not as fruitful as many make it seem. In 2013, not a single QB drafted started and took their team to the playoffs. In 2014, Bridgewater and Carr have but there were also 5 other QBs taken in the first 4 rounds. Mariota and Winston have yet to take their teams and then you have Dak who was taken in the 4th. With that said, don't think it could get any worst than Brock so I hear you, but outside of Bridgewater/Carr/and maybe Garrapolo, I'm not really sweating their early draft picks.
Well....if we're honest, only one of those could be considered a miss despite the other's blindly loyal fanbase. Carr for sure has proven himself, but I don't think a year and a half of sort of okay game managing at times by Bridgewater (and his career could be legitimately over BTW) is enough to qualify him as a miss.
It's risky really. I would have loved to have had Peyton, but also thought it was risky. Two differences though in this situation. #1 is that Romo was never as good as Peyton Manning, and he has also been hurt the last 2 years. #2 is that we are paying Osweiller millions next year, so it's not like I am just against paying Romo what we pay Osweiller, but that we would have to give up someone who could help us for years, or draft picks, for a risky short time fix. Face it, the whole Osweiller deal is costing us all kinds of options, and possibly any championship hopes while we have such a good defense.
Osweiler himself shouldn't prevent them from doing anything. They've already set the precedent for benching him. They know they have to get better there, and if there's a chance to improve the position significantly for next year, while this defense is elite, you do it. This is the NFL. There are no 5 year windows unless you're the patriots (and it's largely due to Belichick). Even the Cowboys, who seemingly are set up for a decade, may never have another season with this core where everything comes together perfectly. The other contending team for QB's this offseason is the Browns. They may just be desperate enough to give up a ton for one of these guys.
2017 might be the last year of Watt/Clowney/Mercilus...although the franchise tag might give us another year (or two), there are no guarantees. It sucks that Osweiler is eating up some cap space, but that shouldnt prevent us from trying to do everything we can to get the best possible upgrade at the position. Romo is vastly underrated across the country, and although he may not have been at Peyton's level, he is right under there and would immediately make the Texans a contender. The window of opportunity for the Texans is now...not 2 years from now.
Recent history shows four teams benefitting significantly from acquirinf older QB's, and none of them really being set back by their eventual departure. 2009 - Cardinals (Warner) 2011 - Vikings (Favre) 2012-2016 - Broncos (Manning) 2013-2015 - Cardinals (Palmer) This is somewhat of a growing trend, as rules continue to favor offenses and players seem to be able to reinvent themselves late in their careers, with some assists to modern medicine. Of course, this applies more to Romo than Jimmy G. But with them and now potentially Alex Smith going on the market, more and more teams could look to attempt to shore up the position with established players vs simple draft projects.
