That's not really what I'm saying, but if the Palestinians had the might, there would be a reason to continue the fight to conquer Israel, they don't have the might so all they are doing is hurting their people. If the Palestinians cared about their people, they'd want peace more than the Israelis, which would be why Israel would set the terms for peace. However, the Palestinians don't, they care about their cause more so they aren't going to be willing to let the stronger side dictate terms and they'll just let their people suffer.
because all Muslims are innocent and want peace and jihad against other religions and non believers is an invention. Muslims Send This Message To Christians: “Bring Your Money And Give It To Us. If Not, Each One Of You Will Be Shot In The Head… You’ll Receive One Shot In The Head Each” http://shoebat.com/2014/07/24/musli...e-will-shot-head-youll-receive-one-shot-head/
What? This has nothing to do with Muslim vs Jew or Muslim vs Christian. This has to do with Israel vs Palestine. No one supports ISIS or its methodologies. To try and justify the murder and massacre of Palestinians because a crazed lunatic group thousands of miles away is ridiculous.
blaming Israel on everything and pretending that Hamas is innocent and dosent fire rocets from populated areas, and is final goal isn't the distraction of Israel is the ridiculous thing! and the example I broght shows you that even when Israel is not around there's a big mess, and non Muslims suffer.
But your original argument is absolutely r****ded. There are other atrocities all over, you can't use one areas violence to justify another oppression.
It really doesn't say anything about "right", perhaps you should read it again. What is "right" is irrelevant.
I think you are saying who has the might is all that matter. Who doesn't have the might, should just be happy or get out of the way. That simple right?
What I'm saying is that since one side doesn't have the "might" to attain their goals, and that their actions only lead to the further misery of their people, that they should change those goals to goals that benefit their people. That simple.
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What it comes down to is that IF they cared about their people, they'd either work with the Israelis or they'd leave. They accomplish nothing positive by poking the bear till it bites them over and over again.
I understand and agree they need to change their tactic. Violent isn't going to solve much here except create more violent. If you missed that, that goes to both side.
I don't agree. Violence could work if done properly, but the Israelis don't have the stomach to do what would have to be done and the Palestinians don't have the ability to do what would have to be done for them. Finding a peaceful outcome would be a much more preferable option, but it would take the Palestinians caring about the well being of their people more than they care about a lost cause and it would take the Israelis believing them and working with them. One has to happen before the other could happen though.
Yes, you have said that. Kill million, even babies, to save more millions. You could wipe them out and be done with them. Very effective short term. At least you think so, until everyone else is done with you. The Israelis value human life and isn't going to go that far. Even if they don't, it's doubtful they are mindless enough to build their own coffin. To various degree, you can said the exact thing the other way - it would take the Israelis caring about the well being of their people more than they care about a lost cause and it would take the Palestinians believing them and working with them.
What Israel does to Palestine reflects Israel itself. Israeli civic society is degenerating to a dangerous area where dissenting politicians are being attacked, and relations with Arabs within its borders are becoming unsustainable. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...le-things-to-israeli-society/article19737911/ Eternal war will scar both sides. It will become more and more untenable for the United States to maintain its soft power for atrocities that will degenerate more and more---and a civic society that is at the point of tearing out dissent, and becoming extremely nationalistic in character, inuring the hate and chaos of its surroundings. With protesters being killed in the nominally pacified West Bank, by both Israeli police, and settlers, this issue will be a flash point between the United States and its own professed standards. Given the support of Uzbek, and Somali butchers, this probably won't truly rankle politicians---but it will look very bad. It also ignores the economic potential of Palestine to integrate with Israel's Startup Nation. In fact, Palestine has some of the highest rates of education and Internet usage in the Middle East, and a host of talented programmers. All this gone to waste because we shouldn't care, ever. The Internet is a global playground. Innovation can come out of anywhere. The next great medical break-through, or the next software module could come from Gaza---were it not being bombed to shreds. It is in all of our strategic interests that builders be allowed to build, and peace be allowed to reign. http://www.fastcompany.com/1793485/google-taps-palestine-new-business-development
It would be effective long term, or at least it was for the Palestinians and has been effective for Americans. I do agree, and said as much, that the Israelis won't ever go that route....most likely. As to the second part, you couldn't say the exact thing the other way, working with the Palestinians before they give up the dream of conquering the land will only lead to more violence and that's certainly been the case in the past.....for example giving them the Gaza Strip was an example of working with them and giving concessions that were supposed to lead to peace and instead all it did was give them another staging ground to attack from. Also, the Israelis case isn't lost, they own the land and so far they've prevented everyone from taking it from them. I know we live in a time where we want to say "there are no losers" and give everyone trophies, but in this instance, there really is a winner and a loser and the loser is the Palestinian people. The sooner they accept the defeat and work towards different goals, the better off they'll be.
Yeah maybe Israel should engage in a sort of final solution if the Palestinians won't abandon their 'lost cause'. Great stuff from bobby, naturally.
