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Israel Launches Ground Invasion of Gaza

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  1. AroundTheWorld

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    Sadly, Hakeem inadvertently supported this organization. adeelsiddiqui has posted in the past that this is a mosque he is associated with.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=1988748

     
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    LOL, that psycho nut-bag ATW has been calling people terrorists on this forum for over a decade. He thinks it helps discredit the people he is arguing with. Clearly his best response when he has no retort.

    He is a well known troll and potentially mentally deranged and off his pills.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    It is a known and proven fact that the "Islamic Da'Wah Center in Houston" gave money to terrorist-supporting organizations. You also posted publicly that this is a mosque you attend/are associated with. Everything you post here is in support of Hamas and other extremist Sunni Islamist viewpoints.

    These are facts. People should know where you are coming from.
     
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    LOL, crazy loon... Keep making crazy claims.. Repeating crazy won't make it true... You really need your pills.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    The "Houston Da'wah Center" is also mentioned here:

    http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/exclusive-clarion-project-discovers-texas-terror-enclave

    Exclusive: Islamist Terror Enclave Discovered in Texas
    FBI documents obtained by Clarion confirm the find and show the U.S. government’s concern about its links to terrorism.


    A Clarion Project investigation has discovered a jihadist enclave in Texas where a deadly shooting took place in 2002. Declassified FBI documents obtained by Clarion confirm the find and show the U.S. government’s concern about its links to terrorism. The investigation was completed with help from ACT! For America Houston.

    The enclave belongs to the network of Muslims of the Americas, a radical group linked to a Pakistani militant group called Jamaat ul-Fuqra. Its members are devoted followers of Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, an extremist cleric in Pakistan.



    Muslims of the Americas

    The organization says it has a network of 22 “villages” around the U.S., with Islamberg as its main headquarters in New York. The Clarion Project obtained secret MOA footage showing female members receiving paramilitary training at Islamberg. It was featured on the Kelly File on FOX News Channel in October. A second MOA tape released by Clarion shows its spokesman declaring the U.S. to be a Muslim-majority country.

    A 2007 FBI record states that MOA members have been involved in at least 10 murders, one disappearance, three firebombings, one attempted firebombing, two explosive bombings and one attempted bombing. It states:

    “The documented propensity for violence by this organization supports the belief the leadership of the MOA extols membership to pursue a policy of jihad or holy war against individuals or groups it considers enemies of Islam, which includes the U.S. Government. Members of the MOA are encouraged to travel to Pakistan to receive religious and military/terrorist training from Sheikh Gilani.”

    The document also says that, "The MOA is now an autonomous organization which possesses an infrastructure capable of planning and mounting terrorist campaigns overseas and within the U.S."

    Other FBI reports describe the MOA in similar ways, with a 2003 file stating, “Investigation of the Muslims of the Americas is based on specific and articulate facts giving justification to believe they are engaged in international terrorism…”

    MOA members believe the holiest Islamic site in the country is located at their Islamville commune in South Carolina. Other MOA entities include the International Quranic Open University, United Muslim Christian Forum, Islamic Post, Muslim Veterans of America and American Muslim Medical Relief Team.

    Terror Enclave: “Mahmoudberg, Texas”

    The MOA compound in Texas, described by the FBI as an “enclave” and “communal living site,” is in Brazoria county along County Road 3 near Sweeny. It was discovered by the FBI due to a tip from an informant in New York.

    The MOA referred to its Texas commune as “Mahmoudberg” in online instructions for a parade in New York in 2010. A posting on an Islamic message board in 2005 advertised a speaking engagement in Houston by someone from Mahmoudberg.

    According to the reports, the commune is seven to 10 acres large, is in an “extremely wooded area” and two or three trailer homes moved there in December 2001. However, ACT members visited the area as part of Clarion’s investigation and interviewed one nearby local who confidently said it is closer to 25 acres in size and spoke of a presence dating back to the late 1980s.

    “The area is so rural it is quite common for residents to shoot firearms for target practice or hunting on private property without interference from law enforcement,” one FBI report states.

    Locals told the ACT members that they haveShells found in the area of MOA's 'Mahmoudberg' enclave in Texas

    The FBI reported in 2007 that one commune resident used to be a leader at the MOA commune in Badger, California. The site was called "Baladullah." In March 2001, one of the Baladullah members was arrested for transporting guns between New York and South Carolina. Another was charged with murdering a police deputy that caught him breaking and entering a home.

    Interviewed residents all agreed that the MOA members are private, yet when the ACT members were spotted in the area, they were immediately and repeatedly approached. At one point, a commune resident gave them a final warning to leave, despite the fact that they were not trespassing or harassing MOA members.

    “It was definitely very threatening and menacing,” an ACT member told me.

    Multiple sources confirmed that one resident of the commune is a police officer. According to a nearby neighbor, one of the MOA members used to drive trucks for the U.S. Army in Kuwait.

    The commune is also linked to a non-profit called the Muslim Model Community of Texas. Members travel to Houston to worship at the MOA Dawah Center that is linked to another organization called First Muslims of Texas.

    The 2002 Shooting Incident

    One of the MOA members was shot and killed by another member on February 7, 2002 between 11-11:30 p.m. according to the FBI documents and a police report.

    The victim was Salminma Dawood, also known as Terrance C. Davis III. His death was reportedly an accident, having been shot by another MOA member who “returned gunfire to unknown individuals who were harassing the MOA commune.”

    Law enforcement reported encountering about a dozen African-American males at the scene, approximately five of whom lived at the commune. The investigators saw an estimated seven women and children who also resided there.

    The police were denied access to the trailer homes and were not allowed to directly interview the women, who covered their faces in their presence. Communication with the women had to be done by passing notes through a male intermediary.

    Locals told the ACT members that government investigators had visited the area a few times and the commune residents refused to talk to them. According to one local, two ambulances were denied entry earlier this year until the police intervened. A search of the Brazoria county criminal records shows that two residents of Mahmoudberg were arrested in April 2013 and charged with “interference with public duties.” The trial is pending.



    More MOA Activity in Texas

    The MOA presence in Texas is not limited to the Mahmoudberg commune near Sweeny. As mentioned, the MOA utilizes a dawah (outreach) center in Houston for activities. The declassified FBI documents show that the extremist group has been in Texas since the 1980s.

    On October 11, 1991, a federal search warrant for three suspects was issued after a MOA/Jamaat-ul-Fuqra bomb plot in Toronto was foiled. A nearly 45-acre “compound” about 70 miles south of Dallas was raided. The location may have been near Corsicana, as another FBI document mentions that about seven MOA members purchased property in that area.

    The suspects managed to flee on October 5-6 before the raid took place. Their children also suddenly disappeared from school. The feds found four mobile homes, three military, general-purpose tents and six vehicles. Loose ammunition, books on counter-terrorism techniques and weaponry and various items with “Jamaat Fuqra Land” written on them were discovered.

    They also found surveillance photos of a post office building and the Greenhead Station in Los Angeles, leading authorities to suspect that attacks on these sites were planned.

    MOA activities in Texas continued after the October 1991 raid. Two FBI documents from 1992 mention that MOA members in the state were using false aliases, social security numbers and birth certificates.



    Why is MOA Allowed to Operate?

    The FBI documents obtained by the Clarion Project clearly identify MOA as a terrorist organization. The Department of Homeland Security privately agreed in 2005, listing Jamaat ul-Fuqra (and specifically MOA) as a possible sponsor of a terrorist attack on the U.S.

    So why is MOA/JUF allowed to operate in the country?

    The answer is that the State Department has not designated MOA/Jamaat ul-Fuqra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. The group is thus permitted to organize in the U.S. until that happens. Yet, the State Department has also recognized the group’s terroristic agenda.

    In 1998, the State Department’s Patterns of Global Terrorism report described Jamaat ul-Fuqra as an “Islamic sect that seeks to purify Islam through violence.” It said that Fuqra members engaged in assassinations and bombings in the U.S. in the 1980s and still live in “isolated rural compounds” in the country.

    A State Department spokesperson was asked in January 2002 about why MOA stopped appearing in the Department’s annual terrorism reports. The answer was as follows:

    “Jamaat ul-Fuqra has never been designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. It was included in several recent annual terrorism reports under ‘other terrorist groups,’ i.e., groups that had carried out acts of terrorism but that were not formally designated by the Secretary of State. However, because of the group's inactivity during 2000, it was not included in the most recent terrorism report covering that calendar year.”

    It has not appeared since. Yet, here we have FBI documents from as late as 2007 discussing the terrorist threat posed by MOA.

    It’s long past due that the State Department be forced to address this obvious threat. The State Department must designate Jamaat ul-Fuqra as a Foreign Terrorist Organization before it’s too late.



    FBI Documents:

    2007 FBI record
    MOA presence in Texas
    MOA presence not limited to the Mahmoudberg commune
    FBI document shows that the extremist group has been in Texas since the 1980s
    FBI document mentions that about seven MOA members purchased property in area
    Two FBI documents from 1992 mention that MOA members in the state were using false aliases, social security numbers and birth certificates.
    FBI documents obtained by the Clarion Project clearly identify MOA as a terrorist organization.
     
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    Everything adeelsiddiqui has posted here has been in support of Hamas. Not surprising.
     
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    Israel is losing badly in the court of world opinion-- and also in the opinion of American, especially younger Jews. It is athe beginning of the end for the Jewish state in Israel/Palestine.

    I really think the two state solution is over. Israel or at least Bibi and those to the right of him never wanted it. Netanyahu is what goes for a moderate in the right wing Israel of today.


    As Jimmy Carter said: "Peace or Apartheid". Israel has chosen apartheid, but we will see the fall of Apartheid and a one state of some sort in our life times.

    The old fashioned colonialism that created current North America,
    South America and Australia etc. is so 16th century. It is too bad for the traumatized Jews of Europe as well as the Palestinians that it has been attempted it a century or two too late.
     
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    Everything you post in this section has been in support of killing Muslims. Not surprising. :rolleyes:
     
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    LOL you're such an idiot. The Islamic Da'wah Center (which Hakeem founded) and the MOA Dawah center are 2 different things. Good job you liar.
     
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    You clearly do not understand the concept of morality. In fact, doing something like that would be participating in a moral wrong.
    If you knew anything about this situation besides spewing your ignorant inaccuracies, you'd know the majority of Palestinians support a two-state solution.
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    The numbers clearly disagree with your opinion.

    Would Bobbythegreat kill innocent children? He's already stated he has no problem with that.
     
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    So there are TWO Dawah centers which have ties to terror organizations, then? That's bad.
     
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    ...rockets that are then fired at Israeli civilians.
     
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    Thank you for displaying how little you actually know of the situation. Please enlighten us how Israel has any legitimate claim to the West Bank or the Gaza Strip (or even East Jerusalem).
     
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    How much of a claim does ISIS have to Mossul?
     
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    How pathetic are you that you have to misquote someone to make an invalid point? You want the tunnels to go away? Remove the blockade on Gaza. If you don't want to remove the blockade, then abide by the laws governing occupied territories. Pretty simple to understand, but I understand how difficult this may be for you.
     
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    So that they can have easier access to rockets they can fire at civilians? The Hamas terrorists, your brothers in spirit, have already proven that the more space you give them, they will only use it to enhance their murder capabilities.
     
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    LOL, now we can definitely say for a 100% fact that ATW isn't a lawyer (probably works in the mail room as a message runner). What exactly does ISIS/Mossul have to do with Israel and the Palestinian occupied territories? Do you lack even the basic debating skills on the issue that you have to resort to a red herring to deter the topic to prevent your ignorance from showing?

    If you don't have a response to my point, don't respond with by displaying your idiocy and trying to change the topic. Only makes you look even more silly (I say even more because you do such a great job of it yourself when making threads).
     
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    Why are you only outraged about what Israel does? I haven't seen a single post from you criticizing what ISIS does?
     

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