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Islamists behead 17 people in Afghanistan, possibly for listening to music

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  1. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Insurgents attacked a large party in a Taliban-controlled area of southern Afghanistan and beheaded 17 people, officials said on Monday.
    A local government official initially said the victims were civilians at a celebration late Sunday involving music and dancing in the Musa Qala district of Helmand province. The official, Neyamatullah Khan, said the Taliban killed the party-goers for flouting the extreme brand of Islam embraced by the militants.
    However, provincial government spokesman Daoud Ahmadi said later that those killed were caught up in a fight between two Taliban commanders over two women, who were among the dead. Ahmadi said shooting broke out during the fight but it was unclear whether the music and dancing triggered the violence, and whether the dead were all civilians or possibly included some fighters.
    All of the bodies were decapitated, but it was not clear if they had been shot first, he said.
    In other violence, two American soldiers were shot and killed by one of their Afghan colleagues in the east — bringing the number of Americans killed this month by Afghan allies to 12. Afghan officials said the killings appeared to be accidental. NATO would not comment on whether the killings were intentional or accidental, but a U.S. Defense Department official said there were indications that it was an intentional killing.
    The Taliban has controlled large parts of Musa Qala, a district encompassing more than 100 villages, since 2001. They enforce the same strict interpretation of Islamic law that was imposed on all of Afghanistan during Taliban rule from 1996-2001.
    U.S. Marines have battled the Taliban for years in Musa Qala, but the insurgent group still wields significant power in the area as international forces across the country draw down and hand over control to Afghan forces. Helmand province, where Musa Qala is located, is one of the areas that has seen the largest reduction in U.S. troops. The U.S. started reducing forces from a peak of nearly 103,000 last year, and plans to have 68,000 troops by October.
    Many Afghans and international observers have expressed concerns that the Taliban will try to re-impose strict Islamic justice as international forces withdraw. Under the Taliban, all music and film was banned as un-Islamic, and women were barred from leaving their homes without a male relative as an escort.
    Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the killings and said they were against Shariah law.
    "The killing of innocent civilians by Taliban is an unforgivable crime." Karzai said in a statement.
    Taliban spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi, however, rejected allegations that the Taliban were involved in the incident.
    "No Talib have killed any civilians. Neither were Taliban commanders fighting each other. We don't know about this thing. Whether it happened or not, we were not involved," Ahmadi said.
    The killings contradict the Taliban leadership's orders for their fighters to avoid killing ordinary Afghans, suggesting a breakdown in discipline and a further fracturing of the insurgency.
    Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar urged his commanders earlier this month to "employ tactics that do not cause harm to the life and property of the common countrymen." The insurgents' supreme leader has issued such edicts from hiding before, perhaps trying to soften the extremist movement's image, but the order appears to have been widely ignored.
    A U.N. report last month said 1,145 civilians were killed and 1,954 others were injured in the first half of the year, 80 percent of them by militants.
    In fact, while the Taliban seeks to soften its image, the beheadings recall the days of public executions during their rule.
    There are fears that the Taliban will again control southern Afghanistan and impose their strict interpretation of Islamic law on the region as foreign troops gradually withdraw in the next two years. Nearly all foreign troops are to leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014 and the U.S.-led NATO coalition hopes that Afghan security forces will be strong enough to take control.
    As the drawdown progresses, there has been a surge in attacks by Afghan forces against their allies.
    A group of U.S. and Afghan soldiers came under an insurgent attack in Laghman province Monday, said Noman Hatefi, a spokesman for the Afghan army corps in eastern Afghanistan. He said the troops returned fire and took up fighting positions.
    He said the two Americans were killed when an Afghan soldier fell and accidentally discharged his weapon.
    "He didn't do this intentionally. But then the commander of the (Afghan) unit started shouting at him, 'What did you do? You killed two NATO soldiers!' And so he threw down his weapon and started to run," Hatefi said.
    The U.S. troops had already called in air support to help with the insurgent attack and the aircraft fired on the escaping soldier from above, killing him, Hatefi said.
    NATO spokesman Lt. Col. Hagen Messer of Germany confirmed that two international soldiers were killed by an Afghan soldier in Laghman province, but would not comment on whether the killing was intentional or accidental.
    In Washington, a U.S. Defense Department official said the Afghan soldier fired a rocket-propelled grenade at the Americans and that this seemed to indicate that it was an intentional act. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because an investigation is under way, said he was unaware of any indications that the shooting was accidental.
    Insider attacks have been a problem for the U.S.-led military coalition for years, but it has recently become a crisis. There have been at least 33 such attacks so far this year, killing 42 coalition members, mostly Americans. Last year, there were 21 attacks, killing 35; and in 2010, there were 11 attacks with 20 deaths.
    The chief spokesman for NATO forces in the country said coalition forces were not pulling back from collaborating with the Afghans because of the attacks.
    "We are not going to reduce the close relationship with our Afghan partners," Brig. Gen. Gunter Katz told reporters in the capital.
    Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said that he could not confirm any link between the attacker in Monday's shooting and the insurgency. In previous insider attacks, the Taliban have quickly claimed responsibility and identified the assailants.
    Helmand officials also reported that 10 Afghan soldiers were killed in an attack on a checkpoint in the south, and five were either kidnapped or joined their assailants. Daoud Ahmadi, the provincial spokesman, said insurgents attacked the checkpoint in Washir district Sunday evening. Four soldiers were wounded he said. The Afghan Defense Ministry said the checkpoint was attacked by more than 100 insurgents.
    Daoud Ahmadi said the five missing soldiers left with the insurgents but it was unclear if they were kidnapped or went voluntarily.
    In Ghor province in the east, officials said three students were killed in what looked like a revenge killing by the family of a Taliban commander who died recently in an explosion. Provincial Police Chief Gen. Dilawer Shah Dilawer said it appears the commander's family believed the students or their family members were somehow involved in setting the explosive. He stressed, however, that the investigation was continuing.

    http://www.seattlepi.com/news/artic...ivilians-at-a-party-3816981.php#ixzz24lloarH8
     
  2. tallanvor

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    Disgusting
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    I don't see what is here to debate? This is horrible and I don't know a single BBS member that will disagree?
     
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    "those killed were caught up in a fight between two Taliban commanders over two women"


    ic...
     
  6. napalm06

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    Hopefully not - but find a way to connect it to a US name (Biden, Ryan, Romney, Obama) and watch it all unravel as if there is no absolute truth. Things like this remind me that there is - this is universally crappy.
     
  7. RedRedemption

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    Honestly, what is the ulterior motive here?
    Nobody is going to come into this thread and debate this.
     
  8. tallanvor

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    fine ill do it.

    Everyone knows dancing leads to sex (if you are doing it right) and the last thing we need is afghan women getting pregnant and bringing more terrorists into the world.
     
  9. edwardc

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    What the hell is wrong with these people.
     
  10. glynch

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    ATW, that is horrible. Why don't you volunteer for combat infantry in the German Infantry/ NATO troops. I'm sure you would get a thrill out of dealing with Islamicists who do such things. If you insist I'm sure you could be sent to Afghanistan. Most likely most Germans are not too eager to go.

    You might even be able to make them listen to music.
     
  11. QdoubleA

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    WHOA WHOA WHOA, what are you talking about? Everyone knows Afghan women reproduce by budding.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    yeah but they still dance first
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    America's fault.
     
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    Army Report Buried Islamic Motivations For Afghan Murders of US Troops
    By Andrew Bostom

    On May 12, 2011 a US Army "Red Team" issued an unclassified report which purported to explain the burgeoning rash of murderous attacks (which have since escalated even further, still) by Afghan National Army (ANA) members on US and other NATO troops.

    Although the report is dominated by apologetic, cultural relativist drivel which attempts, in vain, to explain away these acts of murder committed against the US and NATO troops by their by ANA "allies," it also includes a crudely buried, sub rosa truthful narrative.
    This latter discussion is all that matters, and bears full, clear exposure -- particularly in light of the morally dubious excuse for the most recent spate of such killings of US troops. Specifically,* General Allen in a pronouncement for which he should be forced to resign, maintained that Ramadan fasting, combined with operational tempo during the summer heat, were the drivers of these most recent killings of his own troops by Muslim ANA soldiers.

    What General Allen willfully ignores was laid out, albeit clumsily camouflaged, using plain language, fifteen months ago in the "Red Team" report.
    Based upon extensive interviews, US and NATO troops, as the report notes, were both disgusted with, and highly (and justifiably) suspicious of, the Islamically-sanctioned practices and behaviors of their Afghan military allies, and Afghan civilians.
    The Red Team report's acknowledgement, no matter how grudging, of the essential role of Islamic totalitarianism in the ANA's murderous actions against US and NATO troops, suggests our military leadership's current dereliction of duty is even more egregious at present than when Major Coughlin shared his observations in 2007.


    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...fghan_murders_of_us_troops.html#ixzz24o5jiFnB

    U.S. Soldiers’ views of ANSF [Afghan National Security Forces], particularly of the ANA, were…extremely negative. They reported pervasive illicit drug use, massive thievery, personal instability, dishonesty, no integrity, incompetence, unsafe weapons handling, corrupt officers, no real NCO [non-commissioned officer] corps, covert alliances/informal treaties with insurgents, high AWOL rates, bad morale, laziness, repulsive hygiene, and the torture of dogs. Perceptions of civilians were also negative stemming from their insurgent sympathies and cruelty towards women and children.

    Many US soldiers were appalled by the rampant torture of dogs and puppies they witnessed while being based with ANSF units. Many ANSF members are prone to inflicting abuse onto stray dogs they bring to the base for “entertainment” purposes.


    I just wonder hellish conditions await the Afgahn people once we leave their country. Sad situation.
     
  15. sammy

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    The Taliban like to murder people. Who would have thought :p
     
  16. IzakDavid13

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    Seems legit...
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