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Is Jahlil Okafor the most skilful big man in the league?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by andersongo, Mar 2, 2016.

  1. robbie380

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    We get it you love Okafor, but we don't need to get all crazy with that Harden part.
     
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    Dmo say hi
     
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    He learned it all from Joel Embiid
     
  4. Croatian Sensation

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    He reminds me of Al Jefferson.

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    (loving the Paul Simon in the video, screw those terrible rap songs)

    Okafor palms the ball and hooks it the same way as Big Al. And Jahlil can become that consistent 20-10 player, a multiple All-Star (something Jefferson never was, albeit deserved to be), but he's not going to be a franchise cornerstone like KAT and maybe Porzingis. Defense is not there, and won't be.
     
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    Fixed
     
  6. Haymitch

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    Yeah, and unfortunately, he's amazingly bad at defending. He kills the whole team on defense.
     
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    Towns' offense is merely great. Okafor's offense is simply transcendental.

    Anyone looking at just the shooting percentage reveals that you know nothing about basketball.

    Towns has Rubio creating for him. Despite being a piss poor offensive player, Rubio is a top 3 in the league in terms of PG talent. Towns also shares the offensive load with Martin, Wiggins.

    Okafor relies on Ish Smith and Robert Covington. There is no comparison as to who has more help.

    Okafor just turned 20 right now. I can see him becoming completely unstoppable in 2-3 years assuming adequate development and conditioning. I don't think it is a stretch to call him the Steph Curry of the post.
     
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    Porzingis is more valuable asset.

    KAT as well, along with Anthony Davis (obviously).

    They are the type of talent that could make small ball disappear. If you have big men that can pass and shoot plus defend, makes it awfully difficult to put smaller forwards on them defensively.

    Once T-Wolves figure it out, they'll be the team that upends the Warriors.
     
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    What the hell does that even mean? Steph Curry of the post?

    If you can't pass as a big man, you're kind of screwed in this era as a team. You have a misunderstanding of where the game is at right now if you're relying on a ball dominant center with poor defensive skills, average rebounding skills and poor passing skills to take you places. I don't care if he's Kareem on scoring, Okafor & the Sixers lose to teams that can shoot the ball better and run the floor.
     
  10. tiger0330

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    Towns gets his points with motion and his ball handling skills, actually only has an average post game. Towns skills probably translates better in today's game, particularly his 3 pt shot.
     
  11. HayesIsBack

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    That's because big men aren't used to defending players with the skills to wave ball around in this generation. They are used to big men that can only chew gum and walk at the same time.
     
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    KAT has comparable stats to Tim Duncan in his first year, minutes adjusted.

    And we're not adjusting someone who plays 15 minutes or less to Duncan's 39 minutes in his first year, but someone that plays 30min per game.

    What is terrible about Okafor and the 76ers, is that despite playing literally two centers, they get outrebounded every night.
     
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    You are fighting a losing battle.
    Okafor is a better post player but that doesn't matter as much in the modern NBA. That is also the only thing he is better than KAT at.

    In the modern NBA you want ball movement from your bigs, KAT does that and Okafor doesn't.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see Okafor get 27-28 points a game and still not impact the game like KAT would at 19-20 points.
     
  14. HayesIsBack

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    I would agree with this. I have rarely seen big men become a significantly better defender or rebounder over time in the NBA. Okafar could be Brook Lopez on steroids offensively ... but what good did Brook Lopez do for the Nets during a career of 18+ PPG + 7 rebounds and poor defense?
     
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    60% TS% is not as rare for bigs as OP seems to say. Not really an indicator of greatness at all.

    That said, Okafor is going to be special.
     
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    He may have the best skill set in the post for any player around his age. Heck, he'll probably be the better scorer, if you're comparing him to Boogie. He needs to work on his rebounding and defense, but I can't name any other post player with his potential. His quickness, form and methodology, in terms of using his body according to his opponent's positioning, if pretty damn amazing.

    He's one of my favorite players to watch, but I've always been a fan of guys who can play in the post with a variety of moves. He is an offensive KILLER. In his prime, he will be unguardable. Even with Ant Davis, although he is developing his post game, he doesn't have Okafor's footwork. He has the height and the versatility to hit the 3, but Okafor's bread and butter are down low. He's so comfortable in that spot and shows no fear posting up taller players.

    Philly better build around him the right way. If that team keeps on losing, even talents like Okafor are going to run far away when free agency hits.
     
  17. Pen15clubber

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    Steph curry of the post? Daddy likes
     
  18. andersongo

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    http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/...or-is-putting-up-historical-offensive-numbers


    With the exception of last night's surprisingly competitive game, the Sixers have been an absolute atrocity to watch since returning from the All Star break. They're hemorrhaging points like crazy, and have barely been competitive after the first quarter in most of their games. It's been a tough time to be a Sixers' fan, reminiscent of the doldrums of December and November, when it became so painful to watch the team that even cheerleader extraordinaire Mike Levin took a break from them.

    But amidst the despondency, a glimmer of hope has shimmered occasionally, as Okafor has continued to put on an absolute clinic on the offensive side of the ball. The big man set a career high for points against the helpless Mavericks with 31, and then followed that up with 21 and 26 point outings in the last week. Even better, each of these performances has been efficient, as he has shot 60% or better from the field in each of his last 6 games. In the process, he has pulled his overall season field goal percentage north of 50% and seen his true shooting percentage climb all the way to 53.8%. In fact, since the calendar flipped to 2016, Okafor has an incredible true shooting percentage of 59.9%, which would be in the Top 5 of any rookie campaign ever.

    These are lofty numbers for any rookie to reach. Since the merger, only 20 players have managed a TS% of greater than 50% while simultaneously sporting a usage rate above 25%. Of those, Okafor has the 6th best TS% ever.

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    Michael Jordan sets the pace with an incredible 59% TS on almost 30% usage, but Jah still stands out as wildly impressive. The only big men of the last 25 five years to outstrip Okafor's pace are two of the top ten players of all time and Blake Griffin. That's some pretty outstanding company to be sharing.

    When the parameters are changed to require a FG% of 50% or greater, the list shrinks even more, and Okafor joins a group of only 6 players.

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    The most impressive part of Okafor's production is in the way that he has manufactured his points, too. He has had to shoulder the weight of almost unrealistic offensive expectations in Philadelphia, where no one else has shown the ability to effectively create shots for himself or his teammates. Even after the addition of Ish Smith lessened Okafor's load a little, he has scored an astounding 60% of his baskets on unassisted shots.

    Unassisted shots are considerably more difficult to convert than assisted shots. It's the reason coaches emphasize ball movement so much. Assisted shots are far more likely to be open and to come with a shooter's feet set and in rhythm. Kirk Goldsberry wrote a great piece for Grantland (RIP) about the discrepancy in expected efficiency between assisted and unassisted shots last year. In short, it's incredibly impressive for a player to score efficiently on unassisted shots due to their increased difficulty. This exact relationship is what caused the death of the isolation-heavy, wing-centric offenses from the end of the 90's -- they just couldn't score efficiently enough to earn championship success.


    Player Rookie Yr TS% %Ast
    Blake Griffin 2010-11 54.9 67
    Kevin Durant 2007-08 51.9 59.3
    Michael Beasley 2008-09 52.8 57.7
    Carmelo Anthony 2003-04 50.9 55.4
    Ben Gordon 2004-05 52.6 48.4
    Jahlil Okafor 2015-16 53.6 41.3
    Tyreke Evans 2009-10 52.9 21.2


    Since basketball-reference started tracking shooting statistics in 2000, only 7 players have reached the 50-25 true shooting/usage club that Okafor is in during their rookie years. Of those players, 6 have enjoyed more assisted opportunities than Okafor, as his 41.3% ranks second to last. Only Tyreke Evans, who has shown himself unable to contribute without the ball in his hands, averaged fewer assisted shot attempts.

    All of this portends good things for Okafor's future. He is scoring efficiently and on high volume, the hardest thing to do in the NBA. Even more impressive, he has been creating his own shots, serving as the focal point for an offense in a way the league hasn't seen from a big man in the 21st Century.

    Amidst much of the criticism that Okafor has seen this season - much of it from me - it's important to remember that he has actually overachieved what expectations were for him before the season. Many of us expected him to struggle adjusting to the increased length and physicality of the league, and that his efficiency would see a drop-off. The consensus among LB staff prior to the season saw him averaging around 14 points a game on 45% shooting or so, and he's outstripped both of those numbers by a fair amount. If Karl-Anthony Towns weren't having a historic rookie season in his own right, it's fair to think that Jah would be getting not only Rookie of the Year buzz, but also receiving many of the accolades reserved for his peer. Expect Okafor to continue scoring easily for a long time.
     
  19. robbie380

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    Maybe I am doing something wrong but I show 44 players including Okafor that have done that. Rookie year, from 1976 to 2016, 50%+ TS%, 25%+ USG%, and I added 20 min/g to clear out some trash stats. I have him at 18th best on the TS%.

    edit...I realized the number you meant was players with USG% greater or equal to Okafor's current USG%.
     
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    The sixers scrubs brick a lot of shots.
     

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