Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards Code: RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA 1 Tim Duncan, SA 29 30.3 .550 13.1 8.1 23.5 7.1 29.5 19.0 25.03 177.3 5.9 2 Blake Griffin, LAC 28 32.3 .563 15.0 8.9 23.7 7.4 23.9 15.9 23.52 161.9 5.4 3 Andray Blatche, BKN 28 21.0 .538 8.1 11.1 24.8 14.6 19.3 16.9 23.35 103.8 3.5 [COLOR="Red"]4 Greg Smith, HOU 23 14.4 .687 6.0 6.0 14.7 13.0 18.8 15.9 22.37 53.7 1.8[/COLOR] 5 Anthony Davis, NO 15 31.4 .560 5.2 10.4 19.7 10.5 21.4 15.9 21.26 68.6 2.3 6 David Lee, GS 29 37.8 .576 15.7 10.7 21.8 9.7 23.0 16.5 21.21 158.7 5.3 7 Tiago Splitter, SA 30 20.2 .633 14.2 12.2 17.7 9.9 17.5 13.9 20.55 81.9 2.7 8 Zach Randolph, MEM 26 35.5 .542 6.4 11.6 20.9 15.6 26.3 20.9 20.51 124.1 4.1 9 Paul Millsap, UTAH 30 30.5 .544 14.6 9.4 21.1 9.7 20.5 15.0 20.23 119.3 4.0 10 David West, IND 28 33.9 .530 12.8 8.6 23.0 7.2 18.9 13.2 20.00 120.4 4.0 I stumbled upon this while I was checking Harden's PER today. Many on this BBS have mentioned that the Rockets weakest starting position now is probably power forward. And some have hoping to bring Kevin Love over. Let's check the first box. In red, Greg Smith (in Red) is currently ranking No. 4 in power forward position in NBA, behind Duncan, Griffin and infront of Anthony Davis! What???!!! Then I looked at the numbers more carefully: 1. His PER (22.37) is 14th over all in the ENTIRE NBA and 4th 2nd among PFs. Patterson (14.91) is 31st, and Morris (13.40) is 45th among PFs. 2. His True shooting percentage (TS%) .687 is 4th in the ENTIRE NBA. Well, Hasheem Thabeet is actually better than him on this one. :grin: He's 2nd among PFs. Morris (.556) is 18th, and Patterson (.542) is 24th among PFs. Carl Landry, one of my favorites when he's a Rocket, is 7th among PFs with .614. 3. His EWA (Estimated Wins Added) is also impressive: 1.8. And Kevin Love is there exactly with 1.8. 4. However, Smith is the least utilized PFs among the those PFs with top 10 PER, logging 14.4 min/game. I have to admit that I don't fully get the meanings of Hollinger's stats. But after I looked all this, I just can't help asking all you guys: Is Greg Smith underutilized / underappreciated? I know this is insane and I'm going to invite a lot of bricks thrown to myself. But here is the side-by-side comparison of Greg Smith and Kevin Love. Code: RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA 21 Greg Smith, HOU 23 14.4 .687 6.0 6.0 14.7 13.0 18.8 15.9 22.37 53.7 1.8 Kevin Love, MIN 15 34.9 .461 9.5 9.3 26.8 11.2 33.4 22.2 18.37 53.7 1.8 The origin of the numbers is here: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/pf/sort/trueShootingPct
He may be. But he has a very good center in front of him. I think the coaches are using him just right for now. As he gets more consistent and comfortable gradually extend his minutes.
1. Production never scales linearly with minutes. What those PER numbers show is that Greg Smith is making good use of the minutes he gets, which is all you can ask for from a bench player. 2. Kevin Love's rebounding numbers are ridiculous as usual and would probably make him the more desirable of the two players even if Love scored 0 PPG on 0% shooting.
I believe most of Smith's shots are very close, he doesn't have the range of love or a legit stretch 4
The issue is spreading the floor in the current Rocket's offense of 4-out-1-in. Because of Smith's lack of range, he's overlapping too much with Asik, currently. I'd actually like to see Smith and DMo on the floor simultaneously, at 5 and 4.
1. I agree that production doesn't scale linearly with time. However, his PER is simply ridiculously high for an undrafted player, and he's obviously much efficient than Morris and Patterson, at least on the paper. I wonder if the team should use him more than his now getting. 2. So we are know talking about Smith and Love in a same sentence. //Smith, are you reading the BBS? :grin::grin:
You do have a point. But the kid looks so confident and comfortable on the court, so explosive. In addition, the numbers don't lie.
It's a valuable coaching skill, to be able to determine at what point a player's production starts to trail off as his time on the floor is ramped up. All we know for sure is that Greg Smith has earned the chance for us, and the Rockets, to find out. It would be a worthy experiment to give him 25-30 minutes in the next few games--competitive minutes, not just garbage time--just to see how he does. I think he'd do great, just like he did in the Lakers game, but until it happens more often, all we have to go on instead are advanced metrics like PER and PER36. lol they're not the same players by a mile, but it is fun to compare Smith to a struggling all-star on paper
A pick and roll nightmare if utilized with Harden/lin correctly. Can hit the 15 footer and also levitate over the top.
The stats are treating him like a PF but whenever he's seen the floor, it's almost always been as Asik's back-up Centre. He's been playing impressively as a Centre this season with Patterson or Morris at the 4. That being said, yes, I would like to see his minutes increased at some point with playing time alongside Asik to see how effective he can be as a 4.
More veteran Rockets fans should remember the days of Cato+Yao, Hayes+Yao, JHo+Yao and dismiss the idea of expanding Smith's role outright. Until he shows Patterson type of jumpshooting ability, backup to Asik is his best role.
I beg to disagree. If Smith is able to finish better than other under the rim, then he probably deserves some more minutes. Of course the coach may have to adjust the plans a bit for team offense. Jumpshooting is not the only offensive tool for a power foward/center. BTW, while JHo's jump shot was pretty good, Hayes main role was to keep opponent bigs out of the paint. I can't even remember what Cato was capable of. What's your point?
He can no loner sneaks behind defender, which means his numbers will crash and burn. Look at the last two games.
