1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Insurgents offer to end attacks for ’08 U.S. exit

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Dairy Ashford, Jun 28, 2006.

  1. Dairy Ashford

    Dairy Ashford Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,507
    Likes Received:
    1,833
    I know, I know, it's draft time. But I figured if any story was worth posting at the same time, this might be it. I have to admit I haven't read this whole thing, but I kind of perked up at the words "immediate halt," would like to think this is the best hope, if any, for progress in this war. And my sincerest apologies if someone else already posted it.

     
  2. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2002
    Messages:
    15,557
    Likes Received:
    17
    It really won't make a difference. Even if the situation vastly improves, we ain't leaving Iraq any time soon...we've made too much of an investment there, we have to reap some benefit from this whole venture; it's what any good capitalist would do...
     
  3. Saint Louis

    Saint Louis Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 1999
    Messages:
    4,260
    Likes Received:
    0
    Exactly, it is all about ROI.
     
  4. HayesStreet

    HayesStreet Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 1999
    Messages:
    8,506
    Likes Received:
    181
    Sounds like good news.
     
  5. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    17,791
    Likes Received:
    3,395
    I assume this is the part you like.

    In Washington, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that President Bush’s “view has been and remains that a timetable is not something that is useful. It is a signal to the enemies that all you have to do is just wait and it’s yours.
     
  6. HayesStreet

    HayesStreet Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 1999
    Messages:
    8,506
    Likes Received:
    181
    Well, you know what they say....when you assume you make an ass out of yourself.
     
  7. MadMax

    MadMax Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    73,602
    Likes Received:
    19,953
    AND WE'RE GETTING BATTIER!!!!


    :D
     
  8. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    468
    I hope it is a positive step and I hope the administration gives it serious consideration. But knowing their history, sadly it will probably be dismissed without thought.

    And as has been mentioned, we ain't leaving! We are building the biggest embassy in the world in Baghdad. We are quietly building up to 4 permanent military bases in Iraq.

    We ain't going nowhere
     
  9. 111chase111

    111chase111 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2000
    Messages:
    1,660
    Likes Received:
    21
    Everyone said the first Gulf War was to take over Oil fields we left that country (and Saudi Arabia) with no special oil benefit from either of those operations...

    Don't misunderstand me... we are interested in that part of the world because of oil (and probably nothing else); however, the goal is not to take over oil fields but to ensure the free flow of oil. If we can leave Iraq with a stable government we will. After all we have a great military base in Qatar.

    On a conspiracy note.... Currently we are occupying Iraq and Afghanistan. What country is smack, dab in the middle of both of those. Maybe that's the real reason we invaded both those countries
    .... ;)
     
  10. losttexan

    losttexan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 1999
    Messages:
    595
    Likes Received:
    0

    There it is. I thought this war was about, WMD's ooo wait, I mean freeing the Iraqi people from oppression. Well it was really just about freeing the Iraqi people from oppression and setting up a Democracy then this should be something to give heavy consideration to. But it the war was about getting our hands on the second largest oil reservers in the world then this is a bad deal.
     
  11. Saint Louis

    Saint Louis Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 1999
    Messages:
    4,260
    Likes Received:
    0

    I haven't seen this one in a while.

    Sura faints.
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2001
    Messages:
    15,109
    Likes Received:
    2,143
    If it was all of the insurgents, it would be worth considering. If only half of them are in on the deal (and that is my understanding) then it is not. Tell them we will leave 2 years after the last attack.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

    FranchiseBlade Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    48,928
    Likes Received:
    17,531
    You assume the benefit from oil was meant to be given to all Americans. The oil companies did very well with their work in the region post Gulf War I. The oil companies and others are doing well right now during this war.

    Just because the avg. American isn't seeing the benefit doesn't mean there isn't one for somebody else.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    43,399
    Likes Received:
    25,402
    Also, other countries in the coalition paid a bulk of the bill for the first Gulf War.

    Americans are mostly funding it this time around.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,158
    Likes Received:
    33,032
    This is why I thought we should have put a timetable in place already.

    But we could say..."OK, deal !" but tell them that if the attacks continue then we will never leave.

    DD
     
  16. halfbreed

    halfbreed Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2003
    Messages:
    5,157
    Likes Received:
    26
    When we leave Iraq, what will you guys have left to complain about?
     
  17. Saint Louis

    Saint Louis Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 1999
    Messages:
    4,260
    Likes Received:
    0
    The Gay-Swift/Battier trade, Brad Lidge, the Texans, those damn smokers.
     
  18. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    468
    You almost sound like you don't want to leave.

    ;)
     
  19. HayesStreet

    HayesStreet Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 1999
    Messages:
    8,506
    Likes Received:
    181
    I don't see to much of a downside. They want us to stop operations against them and they are willing to stop fighting immediately. I don't know why we wouldn't say 'ok, we'll stop operations against you, join the political process, but we're still going to operate against the insurgents and terrorists outside your coalition. They don't get a free pass. Help us uproot them and we'll get out of here even more quickly.' Other than possibly Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld being really dumb, that is.
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    124,158
    Likes Received:
    33,032
    This is exactly as I see it.

    DD
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now