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Impressed by Westbrook's Stats?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by HTM, Dec 10, 2016.

  1. daywalker02

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    Lol PG, Butler, Kawhi, Hayward do not have the ball in their hands enough and probably not enough Usage rate.

    You underestimate the triple double.

    Even on paper, in theory it aint that easy. Not to say in actual games.

    Any other player would get fatigued a lot more if they copied WB's tiring style of playing basketball.
     
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    What I said was if they were given the ball the way Westbrook is, they would have a triple double season. Westbrook season is based on him directly and indirectly using 40-70% more possessions than everybody else. There is probably actually more then 20 other players that could triple double the season if dropped into Westbrook's role in OKC. It's not impressive at all when you consider how inefficient he has been while hogging all the possessions and having everybody else tee up his rebounds for him.

    But keep believing how special he is. Have fun with that.
     
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    All I am saying is that it is like the Per 36 or Per 48 minutes stats.

    They show how effective role players can be in limited minutes but once they are starters their stats go down usually.

    You cannot just assume everyone can average a triple double because they have stats saying they are on a good way doing that given Westbrook's percentage of possession.

    WB is special not just because he is a superstar player, he is special because he has the stamina to get those stats.

    8 or 9 players you mentioned the coach would not give them 70% possessions because they are not playmakers, they would make more Turnovers than Harden and WB combined.

    The team would lose 90% percent of the games if they did just that.

    And there are those allstars that are just team friendly, they do not have the mindset to chase for a triple double even if they were given 100 percent of all possessions.

    You just watch the Allstar game! GUYS like KOBE or WB are the ones that go chase for the ALLSTAR MVP. Most of the others just fool around.

    They do not have the discipline or mental makeup to do it
     
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    LOL we agree on Westbrick, that's for sure.
     
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    More garbage. Guys that can routinely score 30 points and also get 6-8 assists or 7+ rebounds have plenty of stamina to triple double the season. What makes Westbrook special is not his stamina compared to a league chok full of athletic monsters and the best conditioned players in any sport. What makes him special is he's the BIGGEST BALL HOG of all of them in a time where such selfish play cannot win a championship and thus it is muted on practically all other teams.
     
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    Well first of all what's amazing about stamina to get stats? Sure it makes Westbrick unique but at the same time his "stamina for stats" doesn't help his team win in fact it is hurting his team because instead of trying to win games Westbrick is getting his teammates to waste energy on box out and such so he can get his rebs. It's like if your talent is wiggle the hair on your big toe without moving your foot, it may be special but it's also useless. Secondly you are praising Westbrick for being a stat chasing glory hog and putting personal glory over team results. That's not exactly model behavior LOL.

    There are many different definitions of MVP but central to all that is the MVP is the guy who helps you win games, that's what makes a player "valuable" right? People lose sight of why stats are tracked in the first place, they're there so everyone can see who helped the team win the most in a very simplistic and basic sense the guy who scored the most points or grabbed the most rebs etc helped you win the game the most out of every other player in the team. But in Westbrick's case he forgot the spirit of why stats are there and just focused on the stats itself for his case in the MVP, to the point that what he's doing is perverse or contrary to the reason why the stats are in the first place or what the MVP is supposed to be awarded for. Whoever heard of an MVP that makes their team worse?
     
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    Of course I want to talk about better players and more talented team players than Harden and WB. We do not have them right now.

    I also want to talk about Hakeem, Shaq, The Admiral getting bamboozled but still being a valuable player, Magic......

    All those players were superior in moving the ball or play watchable basketball.

    Those were dominating on both ends.

    Now all we talk are Harden and WB, creme of the crop. I have watched more creative basketball.

    Even young Lebron was more spectacular, fun to watch without averaging the triple double.

    The game shifted from elite big men to only wing players, shooting PGs. No diversity.

    I am bored enough to consider WB elite. Ballhog or not that is how the NBA has become.

    All kids want to shoot 3s like Curry, break opponent's ankles, dribbling all the time, going for stats.

    Not fun. Rather watch the No Superstars Pistons going against 4 superstar LA team in the '00s.
     
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    WESTBROOK IS THE BIGGEST BALL HOG IN THE ASSOCIATION. Done.
     
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    I wonder how long OKC is content with Westbrook putting up triple doubles and getting bounced in the first round?
     
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