Why did Pick and Roll work for the Jazz? Because Karl malone could shoot from 15ft and Stockton was the best assist man. We don't have that, so I'm not saying don't utilize it, but if it's not working make adjustments because it seems like the first 3 games there were no adjustments and it was the same thing over and over.
That's because Dmo is a true stretch 4. I agree we need him. He can actually drive from the 3 point line, you are right he hardly shoots from 15 feet, but he doesn't need to.
that doesn't answer the question. you make it seem like its so simple, yet 29 other team in the NBA are still figuring out what works against GS.
The problem with the system is that there is not any secondary action. If the first option is shut down then immediately we are stuck at high P&R or straight isolation, which is bad. You see teams like GSW, SAS, LAC, etc. and they all have contingency plans with their sets.
You are correct, but if it's not working lol ? For whatever reason, Dwight gets hacked like crazy so those pick and rolls where he gets the ball if it's not a dunk it'll be a turnover or a Harden shot and if he's off we can't win. There are ways with our talent to make it easier to score than pick and roll every time. There's no reason why Ariza shouldn't be cutting to the basket on every play. The only one I see doing it is Brew.
Warriors have multiple players that can handle the ball, shoot it, and create. We only have 2. That is the advantage they have over most other teams in the league. Curry, Thompson, Green, Iggy, Barnes, Livingston can all handle it and create for others. None of our forwards can handle and create for others. They are limited so we have to run everything through Harden and Lawson. Ariza can't put it on the floor and create. Brewer is no threat in the half court to dribble and create. T Jones is not, howard is not, DMo is not... you get the point now? If we can get a forward (SF or PF) that has that skllset we will be a much better team.
do you think its possible that we can perfect the p&r between lawson (or any competent pg) and dmo and strive from there? maybe a poor man's version of stockton and malone? was kinda hoping this happening when yao was here, as one of our weapons. not sure if it fits the moreyball philosophy, tho...
You have to match their intensity and make them work at both ends. It's that simple. We matched it for 1 and a half quarters on Friday. You have to play steph full court, why let him get the ball off the inbounds? run trap plays and let him give up the ball. We switched on all screens and Barnes ate up whatever small was on him. You have to box out everytime every man because they all crash the boards. I'm not saying it's easy, but they play intense every minute and the opponents don't.
agree. havent watched gsw that much other than that rockets game this season. but its certainly true from last yr. at this point, i'd rather trade dwight for a player that fits your description. but i doubt there will be any takers...
Yep, and with this type of offense you start at the beginning of the season with the most basic sets. The idea is that as the players become more comfortable with each other they can start adding little wrinkles into each set. But this involves spacing, chemistry and communication (just like any other offense). If the defense starts to anticipate one drive or one pass and over playing it then it's up to the players to find another open man or an open lane to cut to. It's a way to always keeping the defense of their heels. We've had a top five offense every season that McHale has been here. Defense and rebounding is a much bigger weakness for this bunch.
The thing Dmo will do in my opinion is make it easier for the guard to score because Dmo can hit the 3 and the defense has to honor and defend that. Therefore he can't be doubled until he hits the lane then he can dish. And if doubled then he can hit Dmo for a shot. As for now, can Dwight, Capela, Jones, Harrell hit a shot from the outside? No, so it makes it easier for teams to defend.
It's just frustrating for me to see that we have so much talent and we go through periods were we can't score a bucket for what seems like forever. If we are going to utilize the PnR then play it to your best and Pick the crap out of the player and roll hard, and drive like you mean it on every single set. A lot of times James dribbles dribbles and doesn't attack instantly and lets the defender settle in. I think Lawson will get better over time. But hell that's on the coach to have them play that way, the way golden state plays, we take way too many plays off and just half ass it a lot of the times.
Contrary to belief, you can just drop a great player into another roster and expect him to hit the ground running. Lawson is trying to fit in, and Harden is used to dominating the ball. When a team is struggling you go back to what has worked, give it to Harden and get the f**k out of the way. Eventually Lawson will get comfortable and start asserting himself in the offfense, and once he starts doing work Harden will start to work off the ball more, it's a process. Getting our best PnR and ball moving forward back from injury will also help.
Never overlook in a win what you would criticize in a loss .... The parts really don't fit the offense outside of Harden and to some extent Lawson but both need the ball to be effective. If they aren't initiating the offense they are standing at the 3pt line not doing much of anything which is fine under the right circumstances. When they run that pick and roll , none of the players setting the pick are a threat other than to finish at the rim , none of them have a mid range shot nor are they going to make a pass that leads to an easy bucket on a regular basis. They are very one dimensional. Dwight in the post looks worse this year than last .... Honestly I think most of their problems on the offensive end are related to the PF spot .... as if they had a well rounded offensive player there who could operate in the pick and roll efficiently and in more than just one dimension they could be difficult to stop. Their post players aren't a threat to do anything other than attempt to finish at the rim either. Cant shoot , cant pass out of double teams ... just a turnover waiting to happen. A healthy DMo probably solves a lot of their problems.
That's all McHale talks about in interviews. Either he's unable to get the team to "not let the ball get sticky" or the players are unwilling to do it. For better or worse, Harden/Howard are ball stoppers on offense when they go 1-on-1. Player and ball movement is all we hear with very little results to that end thus far.
