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If you're a GM, who do you start building a roster with - Towns or Porzingis?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by omgTHEpotential, Feb 1, 2016.

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  1. rockets2012

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    As much as I like Porzingis, Towns is better now and most likely better in the future.
     
  2. Codman

    Codman Contributing Member

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    Towns, and it's not even close.
     
  3. The_Yoyo

    The_Yoyo Contributing Member

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    This x100

    Porzingis is great and is going to help the Knicks immensely in getting back to the upper tier in the east.

    Towns is just better all around and especially on the defensive end.

    You cant go wrong with having either player of course but if I had to just pick one its Towns.
     
  4. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Contributing Member

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    Well, to be fair, I think it IS close.

    It's hard to tell which one will have the better ball on the floor, creating, outside game.

    And while that's not the be all, end all, in today's NBA, it seems like that is increasingly important.

    So which one is more LMA/Horford like in a they can shoot, but you're not letting them create, and which one is more Durant like in that they're tall and can shoot and create ... of course neither being that good.

    I think Towns IS the better "big man" game.

    But in any case, it IS close... both answers could be right.
     
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  5. Codman

    Codman Contributing Member

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    My bad, I wasn't trying to come off as a douchelord.

    In my opinion, Towns is already developed, but I also think he has more upside than KP. When I watch Towns play, I have noticed how he adjusts his game to play both low-to-the-ground, like Timmy, but when he's playing an athletic big, he's got the CWebb/Sheed elevation.

    I realize that those are very generous comparisons, but Towns appears to be the return of the "Talented Big." It has been awhile since we've had a number one pick who can post up, face up and even step out and hit the long jumper. Okafor on the 76ers is another example of a big who can dominate in the paint, with his back to the basket. Karl has the whole package, with some college experience to help. With KG mentoring him, Minnesota can finally be a decent team next year if they do things right. His defense can improve, but that can be said for about every player in the league.

    Porzingis is no slouch, obviously. His numbers have been good for his rookie season, and his size and talent are intriguing. However, I think he is definitely the "raw" player out of the two and I'm not sure what position he'll end up playing. Usually, that's a positive, but with his size and potential, I think the Knicks will fail in developing him into a complete player. It will be a shame if they guide him into a simple perimeter guy. He's got a good-looking shot, but he hesitates in his shot selection. In comparison, Towns seems to not have a limit to his range. For a big man, that's unique. The thing that worries me most about KP6 is an injury. He sometimes plays so high off of the floor, often out of control, which lends itself to dreaded big man injuries. With more time in the weight room, he'll protect himself.

    The Dirk comparisons are interesting, but I don't know if I see it yet.

    So, to answer the question about starting a franchise with one of the two, for me, it would be easy to rock with K-AT. He's already prepared to lead a franchise, IMO.
     
  6. CantBeRight

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  7. omgTHEpotential

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    Thanks for clarifying. I definitely respect your viewpoint, and I agree with most of what you said. I just disagree with using words 'raw' and 'Porzingis' in the same sentence. I mean, just look at some of these vines:

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  8. FishBulb913

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    Towns, and it's not even close. Towns is on a HOF trajectory.

    Porzingis is good, VERY good actually. But this is easy for any GM in the league.
     
  9. omgTHEpotential

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    Come on now. The hyperbole is ridiculous. Not even close?.. HOF?..
     
  10. DrNuegebauer

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    Towns, and it IS close. But he's better.

    Towns looks like a bona-fide 20-25ppg and 10-15rpg guy over his career, with great defence, and the ability to shoot all the way out to the arc (39% this season).

    Porzingis looks like he could put up the same numbers. But more of an outside-in threat, start with the jumpshot and go from there.

    The only way you could go wrong on either guy is if you didn't pick them at 2 or 3 in the draft (lol@Lakers/ Philly).
     
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    It's close, but HOF trajectory isn't too crazy for Towns. For comparison, KG's per 36 numbers his second season were 15.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 2 BPG, and KG has to be a first ballot kind of guy. Trajectory doesn't imply he will get there - he needs to be healthy and successful and less immature than he was in college. For example, Boogie puts up great stats but until he has some postseason success and isn't so dysfunctional, he won't be anywhere near a HOF ballot.
     
  12. omgTHEpotential

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    That's my point. KAT isn't even close to Boogie just yet. Not only does Towns need to get much better (to be considered a superstar / hof candidate) but also have some actual playoffs success.
     
  13. FishBulb913

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    I suppose you don't understand the word trajectory. It's kind of like potential.

    Of course there are a million things that could happen to make it to where KAT does not make the HOF, but he is absolutely on a HOF type trajectory.
     
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    I dont' see how it's not even close this comparison. It's very close and it's not hype. They are both amazingly good. Perhaps both will end up better than Anthony Davis.
     
  15. bulkatron

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    See above - trajectory implies that he's on a good start for his first half-season as an NBA player. Boogie averaged 18/11 per 36, which would also put him on a similar trajectory. Like Boogie, Towns would need significant postseason success and professionalism to be considered a HOF guy. But that doesn't mean he's not on the right track - he's definitely having a great start.

    Zingis is harder to track. He's very good, and his height, range, and other skills make it hard to really predict his ceiling. His per 36 numbers might be lower, but I think his understanding of the game is so good that by next year he's going to be putting up borderline All-Star numbers.

    Both players are very, very good. We're lucky to have some quality big men in the league again.
     
  16. roslolian

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    I guess I'm in the minority but I go with Porzingis, I think his frame is bigger than Towns so I can play him like Rasheed before, a center who can defend but is a stretch 5 on offense. There are a lot of good post scorers in the league (Okafor, Horford, ZBo, Monroe, Al Jefferson etc), but its hard to find a stretch guy who can also defend the 4 and 5 spots. I think Towns is better suited as a PF given his skinnier frame whereas with Porzingis I think he can play 4 and 5 even against big Cs.
     
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    Towns.

    Porzingis is good but he gets extra love for playing in NY and not being a Euro-bust.
     
  19. Mathloom

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    Man, Towns is on another level to me. The one year of direct tutelage under KG will go a LONG way too. Is there anything he can't do right now?

    He's the new prototype PF. When Love was traded I wondered where the hell Minny will find someone who can grab 10+ rebounds and hit 3's. They found someone who can not only hit 3's, but kill on the inside and potentially be a better defender.

    Porzingis looks promising just not as promising. I can't see him carrying a team as the main player, although I love his personality and how he reacted to all the negativity about him pre-draft. Those %'s are below average, and it's not inconceivable to think his second season might be as good as Towns' rookie season.
     
  20. Alvin Choo

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    Hmmm a Patrick Ewing and a Dirk/Bradley hybrid.

    I take Towns.
     

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