I just watched a double interview with George Bush and Bill Clinton

Was that why the old folks loved Trump before he threw them into the covid trash heap of weaklings?

 

you need to replace all of Herrera's bad joke titles

 

This. Even Bush Jr., who lets be honest was a bad president, looks like a terrific leader compared to Trump.

Trump’s presidency has been a colossal failure... as someone who voted for him I can certainly admit my terrible mistake. The guy is a pathetic leader. He blames others for all failures and takes full credit for any success (he thanked himself on a tweet, for goodness sake). He gives advice to other people but refuses to do it himself. He looks to divide instead of unite. He looks to help himself over others. I’ve read a lot of books about leadership and he pretty much checks off all the boxes of the characteristics of bad leaders.

Im ashamed I played a small part in where we are today.

 

Trump is president not because people just woke up one day and thought he should be president. It has been a long time coming. Things have been on a downward trajectory for a vast chunk of the country for some time. A toxic brew of inequality, disappearing middle class, and totally ineffective, cronyist government are just a few of the things. A lot of people voted for him over Clinton not because they thought Clinton was less qualified but because they were sick of the fact that things have not been improving in their lives under status quo politicians. Maybe your thinking.

Corporate America totally sold out this country for one thing: market access. Then a whole lot of decent paying manufacturing jobs went to countries that employ essentially slave labor like China. Apparently selling iPhones to 350 million people is not nearly enough a market so they resort to dealing with a country that has the worst human and environmental rights record in the history of the known universe. Great, look what's come of it - the whole world is now paying for it with COVID19. The cost is probably incalculable.

If most people have access to good jobs then we will have a stable office of the president. Government and corporate America have totally failed the people. People don't vote for someone like Trump because things are going well. People have been pissed on both sides of the fence. History has proven that the more extreme the conditions that people suffer, the more extreme the leaders they elect. This is no different.

 

Having Trump as the savior to this is like dousing a chemical fire with water.

 

Truth 100%

If there’s anything positive that comes out of what’s left of our country after Covid it will be the final realization that the institutions that have been installed in the Reagan years to reverse much of the FDR to LBJ infrastructure. People hopefully are finally waking up to reality of the situation which is that our economic indicators are NOT the economy. It’s a playground for billionaires and Millionaires who are getting rich off the backs of the consumers.

If Trump loses any real voter it’s the voters that believe what you and me are saying here and believed so strongly in it that they saw Trump (ignorantly) as some sort of shock to the system that might break it in a way where maybe he takes down and calls out people like Jamie Dimon etc. (Some might call them the oligarchs) However I think even those people cannot look away from the fact that not only has Trump not done that, but he’s actually made matters worse and put the Wall Street grifting and trickle down reaganomics even worse.

I did think that Bernie actually had a really good chance to be a good candidate to win back a lot of those voters and really be the best candidate for truly trying to fix these issues but I don’t want to under sell what could happen with a Biden admin that A. Might have a chance at winning more seats B will have a larger megaphone for the AOC types where the media would have given a larger megaphone to the “ahhh..socialism!!” idiots in Congress. The media will LOVE covering what they think is an internal food fight, but really will be in truth a healthy internal debate where progressives can push Biden in the right direction on these issues.

I wish I was more optimistic but unfortunately I don’t know how you reverse this system especially with where we are going economically where the GOP has put so much stress on the system where investing where it needs to be is going to be super hard with our economy crumbling and having to deal with mass debt. Etc.

 

I said this back when GW Bush was President and people were saying that he would go down in history as our worst President to wait and see. GW Bush I never felt was a bad man. He was just not qualified to be President and let both his personal grudge against Saddam Hussein and his war mongering advisors get ahead of him. GW Bush wasn't good by the standards we judge most Presidencies but Trump is unprecedented. He is absolutely right that he isn't like other Presidents. He's much worse.

Bill Clinton is possibly the most capable person to occupy the office with a mixture of very high intelligence and amazing charisma. He's also has some very deep flaws and those really kept him back. If Bill Clinton's intelligence could've been combined with GW Bush's personal self-discipline I wonder where the country could be right now.

 

A lot of people forget and/or were born before the Reagan Revolution about what state the US and the World was prior to it. We were beset by things like Stagflation that was both suppressing individual earnings while eating away personal savings. The New Deal system that came out of the Great Depression and sustained though a time when the US could dominate global manufacturing were coming to an end. Those policies were unsustainable and would've hampered development of the type of dynamic global economy we have now. Many of Reagan's moves did lead to more instability and we saw that with things like the Savings and Loan crash in the late 80's but while instability can also lead to more growth. Consider that we are far more productive now while we've held inflation low. Again consider how Stagflation both hampered productivity while raising inflation so if we had continued with the policies prior to Reagan we very well could be both poorer and less innovative now.

 

Obama? I think he gave too much ground to the GOP as president but he is the combination of those two traits. He has zero personal scandal flaws besides weed, one wife his whole life, zero affairs and was immensely competent, well read and prepared.

 

Obama is certainly very capable and intelligent he also had a fair amount of self-discipline. I still think Bill Clinton was more capable. He knew how to navigate politics and manipulate people better than Obama. While both dealt with hostile congresses Clinton was able to work better with them even while being impeached that Obama was.

This is no slight on Obama just that I think Clinton was a better politician.

 

That bold part is debatable ....

Casino - sure.
Restaurants - sure.

Basketball team .... not so much. Don't get me started on all the cheapness that's cost this team talent since he took over or the shredding of a 65 win team to save a few bucks.

 

He’s no cheaper than Les was

 

Maybe not .... But Les didn't dismantle a 65 win team. Nor did he piss away 1st round picks to duck the tax two years in a row or fail to spend the MLE 2 years in a row.

Les sucks for sending Akeem to Toronto .... and stealing them trophies.

 

Real growth combined with fiscal responsibility created a more stable economy not prop up by artificial government spending.

 

I love Obama but it should be thought of as a slight, it's a huge trait of a great leader to be able to get people on your side.

For some reason he could not get the personal politics right and that was both republicans and democrats, he seemed to not be able to use that charisma in private.

He also did not cut corners like Clinton which I think will keep his legacy burnished unlike Clinton.

Under this current system there is something to be said in being a good politician.

 

you are forgetting there were some very dark years

and not paying Barkley.

That did much more damage than what people think.

 

Les destroyed the legacy of the only championship teams we had, plus ruined our traditional logo and colors for the sake of pandering to China and dildo lovers

 

he sold the potential 65 win team before the season even started because he got so scared of the cost

 

Spoiler

 

Elon Musk for President
Jeff Bezos for VP
Bill Gates Secretary of State

Skynet Party for America

Upgrade the country to all renewable energy
Dominate all e commerce for the world
solve the pandemic and future disease

create AI based drone police and armed forces for entire country

any fat white b**** trying to burn down a wendy's gets immediately disabled by precision strike drones and netted like a fish from an aerial drone communicated with wendy's security camera built by Ring.

self driving electic police car comes with giant scooper and immediately takes her away to an underground prison for immediate isolation.
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