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I find it highly funny that Trump supporters are now worried that they may lose obamacare

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by what, Jan 25, 2017.

  1. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    To help out, I believe Falcons Talon believes that ACA / Obamacare has taken on a high burden set of insurers (pre-exist, low-income) and that those costs are not offset by the mandatory signups. So he sees a direct correlation between high burden insurers and increase in premium and/or decrease in coverage.

    This of course ignores that the same high burden group will get medical treatment regardless of insurance standing (because we do not reject care). This raises overall healthcare costs because hospitals etc need to make a profit, which in turns raises costs against insurance companies, which in turn raises premiums, even for those who handle their own ****.
     
  2. Falcons Talon

    Falcons Talon Contributing Member

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    I think everyone should have access to healthcare. How pharm and hospitals deal with insurance is ridiculous. I went to get a knee brace for my torn miniscus at a DME. Price to me was $49.00. Price to insurance was over $300. The solution is not to charge more to the people that have been taking care of their business....Fix the system..
     
  3. pirc1

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    Just how do you plan to fix the system? If not for the Democrats, the GOP will never even bother fixing the system, see Ronald, Bushs, Obama, Clintons. The only reason the GOP might try to come up with replacement plan and that is a big if, is because there are millions of people on Obamacare already, if there is no Obamacare, GOP will never try to fix the healthcare system. For someone who had first hand experience with the issues in healthcare, you should have known better.
     
  4. Liberon

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    Dun werry we stull gotz ur tow teef n sisturs in da bak uf da traelur... Weez gud.. Wyte Poer!!!!
     
  5. dmoneybangbang

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    So are you in favor of privatizing Medicare? Frankly I don't think the boomers are despite them being more conservative.
     
  6. dmoneybangbang

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    I am young so I have time to plan but I hope the GOP will be honest with people about what they are intending to do and the effects it will have.

    I see zero point in Medicare if people aren't held responsible for their actions before hand. That is, we got a whole bunch of unhealthy folks getting ready to retire who will be getting generous socialized medicine benefits that will greatly increase spending.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    Poor @Falcons Talon - something tells me that if he's anything like his BBS persona, he will be reliant on the social safety net one day, and it may no longer be there.
     
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  8. Falcons Talon

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    Awwww...look. Sammy felt the need to tag me. That's so cute of him, and here I had already forgotten all about him.

    Do you feel better Sammy boy? Does it make you feel good to try to have the last word? So predictable.
     
  9. Air Langhi

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    Here is an image of Healthcare spending/%GDP over time. The %spent seems to have stabilized somewhat since Obamacare started. The issue is some people are required to pay more to stabilize the system, but ultimately for the entire country it really isn't that bad.
     
  10. pirc1

    pirc1 Contributing Member

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    When will healthcare hit 25%? When will defense budget hit 25%? We can all celebrate when 50% of the GDP are in healthcare and defense!
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

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    This is misleading given that Obamacare didn't really take effect until 2014 so the time where it shows "stabilizing" was before Obamacare. Once Obamacare took effect, it started rising.
     
  12. Space Ghost

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    The first couple years showed the 'cost cutting' saving measures and the cost increase approval measures. It wasnt until the last year or so when the insurance companies told Obama to 'FU, approve our increases or we will leave'. It was when the insurance companies called this bluff did they realize the failure of their precious baby.
     
  13. Air Langhi

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    So what about the growth before obamacare? Again the previous solution wasn't working. You provide no answers except obamacare=bad. Why don't you propose a solution?
     
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    The solution is obviously repeal Obamacare.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    ^in which the troller loses his composure, begins hurling insults, (and reneging on promises to not respond further and let others have the last word), and becomes the trollee.

    The loss of face here reminds me of the heady days of having tons of easily set-off-able PRC Netizens on the board- which reminds me of something....

    @KingCheetah: The new regime will be very favorably disposed to the Kowloon Tether Project - reach out to me on AIM for a technical discussion.
     
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  16. Bobbythegreat

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    .....so there was growth before Obamacare and there was growth after Obamacare.....it did nothing. That's the point. In fact, things had started to "stabilize" before Obamacare only to start to go back up after it went into effect. Face it, Obamacare was a total failure.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    LOL, that's how insurance works. It worked that way before the ACA. My goodness what a moron
     
  18. LosPollosHermanos

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    Insurances don't pay 300$. They get billed that amount and allow a certain negotiated amount. Usually its a fraction, so that is why they bill higher.
     
  19. LosPollosHermanos

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    If you haven't already, put BTG on ignore. The guy is so stupid he doesn't even realize it...
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    Since you're so "intelligent", let me present you with a challenge. Over the next 3 months, go get in a couple wrecks. And then to top it off, get a DWI while you are in an accident.

    The come tell me exactly how insurance works.
     

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