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How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American

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  1. rtsy

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    We Are Change's work is gaining traction.

    How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American

    Conor Friedersdorf - OCT 24 2012, 7:02 AM ET 44

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

    Asked about the strike that killed him, a senior adviser to the president's campaign suggests he should've "had a more responsible father."

    Cornered by activist reporters with video cameras, former White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, a senior adviser to President Obama's reelection campaign, attempted to defend the kill list that the Obama Administration uses to determine whose body should next be blown apart. American drone strikes have resulted in hundreds of dead innocents in the last four years, even as the program has killed a number of high-level al Qaeda terrorists. There are two remarkable things about the ensuing exchange, which eventually turns into a discussion about a dead 16-year-old kid:

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    First, it's vital for the uninitiated to understand how Team Obama misleads when it talks about its drone program. Asked how their kill list can be justified, Gibbs replies that "When there are people who are trying to harm us, and have pledged to bring terror to these shores, we've taken that fight to them." Since the kill list itself is secret, there's no way to offer a specific counterexample. But we do know that U.S. drones are targeting people who've never pledged to carry out attacks in the United States. Take Pakistan, where the CIA kills some people without even knowing their identities. "As Obama nears the end of his term, officials said the kill list in Pakistan has slipped to fewer than 10 al-Qaeda targets, down from as many as two dozen," the Washington Post reports. "The agency now aims many of its Predator strikes at the Haqqani network, which has been blamed for attacks on U.S. forces in Afghanistan." The vast majority would never make their way to New York or Washington, D.C., and the Obama Administration would never agree to rules that permitted only the killing of threats to "the homeland."

    The second notable statement concerns the killing of 16-year-old American citizen Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

    Tom Junod gives the back story:

    He was the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, who was also born in America, who was also an American citizen, and who was killed by drone two weeks before his son was, along with another American citizen named Samir Khan. Of course, both Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were, at the very least, traitors to their country -- they had both gone to Yemen and taken up with Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, and al-Awlaki had proven himself an expert inciter of those with murderous designs against America and Americans: the rare man of words who could be said to have a body count. When he was killed, on September 30, 2011, President Obama made a speech about it; a few months later, when the Obama administraton's public-relations campaign about its embrace of what has come to be called "targeted killing" reached its climax in a front-page story in the New York Times that presented the President of the United States as the last word in deciding who lives and who dies, he was quoted as saying that the decision to put Anwar al-Awlaki on the kill list -- and then to kill him -- was "an easy one." But Abdulrahman al-Awlaki wasn't on an American kill list.

    Nor was he a member of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninusla. Nor was he "an inspiration," as his father styled himself, for those determined to draw American blood; nor had he gone "operational," as American authorities said his father had, in drawing up plots against Americans and American interests. He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.​

    How does Team Obama justify killing him?

    The answer Gibbs gave is chilling:

    ADAMSON: ...It's an American citizen that is being targeted without due process, without trial. And, he's underage. He's a minor.

    GIBBS: I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children. I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business.​

    Again, note that this kid wasn't killed in the same drone strike as his father. He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere, and by the time he was killed, his father had already been dead for two weeks. Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists. Killing an American citizen without due process on that logic ought to be grounds for impeachment. Is that the real answer? Or would the Obama Administration like to clarify its reasoning? Any Congress that respected its oversight responsibilities would get to the bottom of this.
     
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    That's your problem right there.
     
  4. rtsy

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    Trayvon Martin should have had a more responsible father - deal with it.
     
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    What about all of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people that died in the civil war that ensued? How does Team Dubya justify that?
     
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  6. rtsy

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    What about Team Obama justifying the killing of a 16-Year-Old American?
     
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    It only matters if the person is an American. Gotcha.
     
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    No, the non-Americans Obama is killing matters too.
     
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    So you're just gonna ignore my question, right? What about the Iraq's? You know the place that we invaded based off lies, lies, and more lies?
     
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    That sucked - but we are talking about Obama's kills list, and his killing of a 16-Year-Old American with no due process - and how a senior adviser to President Obama's reelection campaign explained the justification of it at the 2012 Democratic National Convention.
     
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    Right? How could he allow his son to buy a hoodie. Father of the Year.
     
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    Ok, this sucks too. End of discussion. Next. :rolleyes:
     
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    ? what was he doing in a kill zone anyway was he working with terrorist.
     
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    Trayvon Martin's death was his fathers fault - deal with it.
     
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    Poor Al-Alwaki.

    I remember an America where you could declare war against your own country, join a jihadist terrorist group overseas, and take your son and drive across lawless tribal areas of Yemen without having to worry about DRONES coming in and ****ing up what could have been a perfectly fun weekend.


    I wish I had that america back. Now my plans to toss some RPG's in the back of the SUV and go riding off with Junior across the desert to a guerilla camp is on hiatus....and the FOUNDERS are turning over in their graves...SAD FACE!

    GARY JOHNSON GONNA FIX THIS **** PEW PEW PEW!
     
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    Whenever Obama is wrong, his blind supporters always bring it back to Bush when his presidency has been over for nearly 4 years now..
     
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    How dare you question the Obama administrations moral judgement, especially in an election year?

    Don't you remember what Nixon did? How do you justify that?

    Lincoln was responsible for the deaths of many innocent Americans, justify that.
     
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    So instead of both deaths being a tragedy, the one where an innocent kid was killed and his father wasn't a terrorist or any kind of criminal is OK, but we should all be uprising against the president for the military accidentally killing the teenage son of a terrorist leader. A young man who I'm sure wasn't training or helping his dad plan and support terroristic acts.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    It's more important to be safe with armed rebels in lawless tribal areas of Yemen than walking around with a pack of skittles in Florida.
     
  20. JunkyardDwg

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    Always liked this quote from American President:
    I cannot possibly imagine what goes through our leaders minds when they make life and death decisions, whether it's to declare war on another country or launch a missile strike that could kills hundreds if not thousands of innocents, to send our own military into harms way or to launch a drone strike. Certainly drone strikes are more precise and less costly, and reduce human casualty. But use of them does blur the line of what is morally and legally acceptable. I certainly don't think Obama makes the decisions lightly, though.

    Perfect world there would be no need for war. But this isn't, and I'm just damn glad I don't have to make those kinds of decisions and don't have to have all that red on my ledger.
     

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