After putting in four years of rookie service time in the NBA? Now is his chance to cash in, be it this year or next. He's staying in the NBA at least for his first big contract, if he found it in him to push through those four years on the rookie pay scale.
They are fine little games...that he put up 2 seasons ago. He hasn't approached it since, furthermore they were the kind of games that Ryan Anderson puts up on a regular basis, even in injury-marred seasons.
Or we could just say he can't sign in Europe until he first becomes a UFA. And he can't become a UFA, until he first signs a deal under RFA rules and completes it, or the Rockets renounce him. His RFA status doesn't disappear by not signing anything this year, or next (should the Rockets extend a 2nd QO next off-season).
Wasn't really serious about that. I agree. He shouldn't even be considering it till next year at the earliest if he is still unable to earn a big contract.
In other words, what you said before was totally wrong. And why are you bringing up Ryan Anderson? Posters like you are annoying. You intentionally understate accomplishments to create a narrative that suits your agenda, and when you're called out on your misleading statements, you resort to straw-man arguments.
What did i say that was totally wrong? Your response: to post a few good games he had, a couple of years ago...which can be counted one hand? Are you mad becuase you only have a club-like pincer instead of a fist, therefore you can't count those 3 games on one hand? Posters like you are annoying. I keep trying to stick you to the wall, but you keep just folding up because you came rolled up in that tight little tube, and you keep reverting back to your rolled up shape. So annoyed1!!!111!
That makes sense. I think shying away from vowing to match is a combination of: Learning from the parsons experience, where it helped Fegan negotiate a crazy deal from Dallas to the point where Fegan basically dared Morey to make good on the public promise (and it ended up being used by Parsons' camp to shift/share blame on the move to Dallas) Not wanting to over-promise in an unpredictable market. They're letting their actions speak for them.
No YOU made it clear that YOU would be open to a sign and trade in order to get your love Ricky Rubio to Houston. There has never been anything leaked or reported out that would tell us the Rockets are looking to S&T D-Mo. Only your Rubio obsessed mind going in overdrive. (that being said I wouldn't be floored if it happened... just saying, its not like we have evidence that you know WTF you are talking about here.)
There is no strawman argument, there. Actually, he was responding to Plowman describing DMo's year (in his opinion) like Linsanity 2012. Then he remarks that your stats of the last 3 DMo games before injury are everyday stats for Ryan Anderson. Why not, the running conversation is comparing players, and you accepted that by jumping in the middle with Corey Brewer, then resort to criticizing SamFisher for doing it. Despite my opinion that comparing players to establish hyperbole or not is in no way a strawman argument, you did accept comparing players, regardless. Right?
I posted the stats for the last 3 games he played. Turns out they were all "good" games. Use some common sense. If his last 3 games were "good" games, then surely, through the course of his other 68 games played, there'd be at least 7 more "good games", right?
Yes, I do think you're right. He brought up Ryan Anderson's stats in order to marginalize DMo's stats, and that serves no purpose whatsoever. A PF making $8.5mm under the old salary cap should absolutely outperform a developing PF still on his rookie deal. So no, while it's not a strawman argument, it is a stupid one.
Those weren't the last 3 games he played...they were the last 3 he played in 2015 He had like 6-7 games where he had a Gamescore over 20 in the entire season. Sure it does, it gives one needed perspective when responding to hyperbolic claims of Plowman about him "carry[ing] the team"
Yes, we've been talking about the 2014-2015 season. Once the proper qualifier is repeated several times, I see no need to keep including it. And there are more ways to have "good" games than scoring 20 pts. For instance, getting a double-double is widely considered a "good" game. He had 7 of them in the 2014-2015 season. Add those 7 games to his last 3 games of the season, and you have 10 "good" games. It's not as far fetched as you think. While Harden was undeniably the most important player on the team, DMo anchored the defense and was a legitimate #2 scoring option. If 2015 DMo had played at his 2014 level, do you think we would've made the playoffs?
I'm using gamescore, but no matter. You can quibble about the size of his flash in the pan, but if it's 8 games or 10 games, is it really that material given all that's happened in the interim? Obviously not, which is why he's staring down the barrel of a minimum QO and nothing else right now. Easily. The Rockets were 11 game up on the 9th seed and DMO contributed 4.7 win shares.
Unlikely. If DMo signs a QO, Morey cannot trade him for the year. Just like most all RFAs, if not all, the threat of signing a QO is coming from the agent, not the GM. The agent basically says, "We'll take $4.4m and you get nothing, unless you get closer to meeting our demands." Morey needs to sign him, so he does not lose him for nothing. Signing the QO pretty much guarantees we lose DMo for nothing -- the loss just won't be until next summer under UFA vs this one under an RFA offer sheet.
Morey already tried to lose him for something. Unfortunately Detroit decided he was closer to nothing Now, it's up to him to try to make something, out of nothing.
It's much more than 8 or 10 games so yes, it's very material. Did you watch the games? Had 2014-15 DMo been ineffective most of the season, who do you think would've stepped up? Dwight played 41 games. Jones played 33 games. Josh Smith played 23 games. So where does that leave you? 6'8 Joey Dorsey? Rookie Tarik Black? Rookie Clint Capela? According to win shares, Harden had a DWS of 4.2 that year while DMo had a DWS of 2.3 (and Dwight's was 2.2). Since DMo was the defensive anchor, that tells me that it's a flawed metric.
hogwash Detroit, Indiana and Charlotte (three playoff teams) pretty much placed the most recent Market Value on DMo. Detroit returned DMo to get their 12th pick back (at the time), which establishes DMo somewhere below that. fwiw: Detroit ended up with the 18th pick. Indiana valued the 20th pick at Thaddeus Young and a future 2nd Charlotte valued the 22nd pick at Marco Belineli -- who was devalued off his worst shooter year ever, but typically shoots >38% from 3, and even 43% on a recent championship team. Charlotte likely betting he returns to his SAS numbers after a leaving the Kings Regardless of how you feel about those trades/players, that is not "nothing." Detroit thinking DMo was "nothing" is not reality, but Morey is indeed staring down the gun of nothing plus $4.4m, when DMo's agent threatens to sign the MO.
Could there be a more perfect definition of the most vocal clutch fans? The ones that are willing to admit they are occasionally wrong, don't feel the need to post 20 times a day to prove themselves.
The thing is you can have good games and you can still be out of the league. Ask our Beasley, ask any talent that has fallen off. MIP AB0 was nearly out of this league. I am sure they had nice scoring games and nice rebounding games. Nice numbers. There is a saying in the NBA, any mediocre NBA player can string a number of very good games. Consistency is what separates them.
