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How much of Philly's cap space can we buy for the Knicks pick?

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How much of Philly's cap space can we buy for the Knicks pick?

  1. $0-4 million

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  2. $5-9 million

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  3. $10-14 million

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  4. $15-19 million

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  1. basketballholic

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    this is not true. Read the CBA.


    They sold almost $5 million of their cap space for the Warriors 2015 pick at the deadline last year. And you don't think the Knicks pick is enough to get some of that cap space this year when that Knicks pick is going to be at the top of the second round? That's illogical.


    Don't understand what you mean by time share. What are you talking about here?
     
    #21 basketballholic, Feb 17, 2015
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    I suggest you do, the floor is based on outgoing salary payments, not their cap space usage. Since we're 2/3 into the season, players are only going to receive 1/3 of their remaining salary. Since they're about $8m behind through 2/3rds, to make up that $8m in player payments, they'd need to take on $24m above the floor in outgoing money.

    The salary floor has nothing to do with the cap, its purpose is to guarantee that each individual team is paying out enough from the cba % requirements pre-escrow dealings which is why its tied to outgoing so some team can't trade on some huge expiring at the deadline and screw everyone else out of money at the end of year calculation. For example Lin was worth $15m to the floor, he's now worth about $5m for the remainder of the year to said floor, while he's been $8.3m to the cap the entire season.

    They aren't hitting the floor, and they don't care
     
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    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15



    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q14




    You're wrong.
     
    #23 basketballholic, Feb 17, 2015
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    Oh, I think Philly would take on a contract extending into next season at the right price. I'm not debating whether they will or not. I'm asking what the price is. And I'm asking what we can get for the Knicks pick.

    If you believe we can get them to put away McGee for the Knicks pick. Then do you believe they would give us all their cap space this year plus $20 million of their cap space next season for the Knicks pick and the Nuggets pick?
     
    #24 basketballholic, Feb 17, 2015
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    So we're sacraficing assets just to get another team cap space and to provent another team from having to pay its players extra money because they are under the cap?

    How does that make sense and how does that get players this teams needs in the door? This is like the inverse of the Rockets trying to get haywood and punting flexibility again to draft night.

    We don't need wild schemes and CBA shenanigans. If you can't get the players you want, then roll with what you have and take your chances in the postseason.
     
    #25 Airdough, Feb 17, 2015
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    Very simply. Would you give up our 2 second rounders for Mason Plumlee plus Deron Williams signed to a minimum deal plus whatever assets we could get for Brook Lopez or Brook Lopez himself?

    There would obviously a reward for giving up our picks to help a team clear it's books. Of course, we wouldn't do it for nothing.
     
    #26 basketballholic, Feb 17, 2015
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    Who exactly is buying out/waiving DWill in your scenario?
     
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    I forgot to add, that at some point the Sixers are going to have to cash in their chips because the patience with the rebuilding program will stop. Players are not going to lineup to take Philly's money, even with the expanded cap, if they aren't winning. They have less incentive to rent out capspace and more incentive to cash-in.
     
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    Maybe Brooklyn.

    Maybe Philly.
     
    #29 basketballholic, Feb 17, 2015
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    the point at which the Sixers cash in chips is when the right deal is on the table for them to cash in chips. The rebuilding will stop when they have built a championship capable team.
     
    #30 basketballholic, Feb 17, 2015
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    Where's the salary coming from to make all of this work? If Deron Williams is bought out, then he gets to choose where he goes if he clears waivers. No gurantee he would choose Houston.

    In the trade you referenced, Philly got a second round pick for taking extra salary but they also gave up players in that deal to Indy. The check they would have to cut to eat even bigger long-term salaries in this scenario isn't covered by a 2nd round pick.
     
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    Philly isn't building that team with their current draft selections. They will be trading for that kind of team.
     
    #32 Airdough, Feb 17, 2015
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    I thought the idea was the get money off the books for Brooklyn? How is >60mil in dead money for the next three year or five years giving them cap relief?

    And I'm not sure philly would eat all that dead money for harden.
     
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    If Brooklyn buys out DWill they will likely have around $30 million on the books for 5 seasons. Around $6 million a season. (I'm pretty sure DWill will give up around $10 million to get out of there.) If they move out Lopez and Plumlee for only Shved's incoming salary then they're well on their way to being out of luxury tax and having max cap space this summer to build around the JJ's.
     
    #34 basketballholic, Feb 17, 2015
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    No guarantees DWill would choose Houston. But odds are he would. His buddies are here. It's close to home for him (Dallas). And I don't think we do such a deal without knowing he's coming here.

    Besides.....who else is going to pay DWill more than a minimum salary this season to come play for them?

    Ok......that's the point of the thread.

    What is the Knicks pick worth in terms of their cap space?
     
    #35 basketballholic, Feb 17, 2015
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    So Denver bought $11.25 million of Phillis cap this year plus $12 million of Phillis cap next year for the Thunder pick top 18 protected. Thunder will most likely slide into the playoffs and that pick will likely become pick 21-22 in this draft.

    So if they flip Javale to the Nets for DWILL wonder if they'd take on the difference in salary for the Knicks pick? Nuggets pick?
     
    #36 basketballholic, Feb 19, 2015
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