Beverley is going to get offered very similar money to Ariza in restricted free agency. Might be a million or 2 less. But could be a million or 2 more. Somebody is going to trip a 4/32 offer or more to him though. We can only dream he comes in at 4/20.
I completely agree, Beverley is a mini ariza! On top of this, we were the team that have him his shot, I believe he wants to play here. Harden creating, Dwight in the post, 3 and d the rest of the court, the guy fits like a glove into our gameplan.
This team needs a player like pat, its gonna be a big loss if we end up trading him. There's something about pat you can't replace really. I hope we he stays here if we want to win a championship he is a great fit for our team.
Same question here. Don't know much about contracts, and stuff, but can some other team do the same thing to us?
The thing is, Beverly is a specialist. And his specialty is highlighted on the Rockets. He's not a traditional PG who drives and creates. He plays very good defense, knocks down open three's and makes hustle plays. His utility value for other teams is not as high as it is on the Rockets--especially in a league stacked with PG's. I don't see him getting more than $5 million per, and he'll likely be a Rocket for a very long time (super backup if a trade for Dragic or Rondo goes through).
The irony of this statement is that the Rockets have more cohesion then ever after letting go their 3 longest tenured players in Lin, Parsons, and Asik. But I am definitely on the keep-Beverley bandwagon myself for anything fairly reasonable. And I feel it would be reasonable because Beverley doesn't have the counting stats that typically get one paid. But keeping players whose only goal is to play himself into a contract *cought*parsons*cough* doesn't improve chemistry.
What we pay him will depend entirely on whether he can stay healthy and what he is able to do for us in the playoffs. Right now, he's shaping up to be a Rockets take on Derek Fisher. But he still has a long way to go to live up to that. Fisher hit many big shots for the Lakers in the playoffs/finals throughout his career, arguably as many as Kobe did while Beverly still has little experience there. Bev is our bad news bears guy. He's like the short unathletic kid in the movie that has the awkward haircut but plays short stop and tries to put a foot up everyones ass because he can make up for his shortcomings in this way.
So you want the Rox to pay PBev 10M when nobody else offers him more than 5M? Were you also happy when Cubes gave Parsons the max, when Otis Smith bid against himself and offered Rashard Lewis the max and when Rudy T and CD gave Cato 10M off a summer league game? Obv you don't want PBev to be playing for the minimum, but at the same time you don't want to overspend and create bad contracts just because the dude was a fan favorite (ie Parsons). I don't really understand this point about creating unity etc., I look at the team now and I see a lot of chemistry and cohesion on the squad despite the high turnover. Turnover has nothing to do with chemistry and cohesion, the Rox had Parsons/Asik/Lin for all of 3 years and in less than half a season the squad now has more chemistry, team work and unity than all those years combined.
If you look at the Spurs, Grizz, Blazers, Thunder, etc, one of the hallmarks of success is continuity. There was recently a Grantland article on this, but sometimes doing nothing (standing pat, pun intended) is a winning move. In this case I hope we allow ourselves to go over the cap to get him. He doesn't seem to be a greedy pig like Parsons who will shop himself around the league attempting to get a bigger contract than Harden or anyone else on the team that he's clearly less valuable than on the court. He's going to get what he deserves, period, and we should be the ones giving it to him. Somewhere above Chalmers and below Bradley is my guess. Like Chalmers he knows that so much of his success is tied to the superstars that he plays with and gets wide open shots off of.
Typically speaking, when a team has continuity, it's usually because it feels that its core is good enough to compete. The Spurs for example, flushed almost their whole roster except their core after losing to the Grizzlies 4 years ago (this was their 2010-11 starting lineup, Duncan, Blair, Jefferson, Ginobili, Parker, this was their 2012-13 starting lineup, Duncan, Splitter, Kawhi, Green, Parker, this is also their preferred 2014-15 starting lineup), but have maintained the same core that made 2 successive nba finals. The article is making the fundamental error of correlation does not equal causation. No amount of continuity was going to change that Portions plays for himself and Lin has horrendous handles and decision making, nor was it going to make Asik start trying for us again.
Cant call any player greedy for getting as much money as possible. They Have a short window to get paid. Especially a player like Beverly . His injury rate is that one of a football player lol. And at the end the day , the money these players get ,was OFFERED to them by the team.
Of course they can. And we saw how very well that turned out for Cuban. Bev however has very limited value to any team without an all star SG who is ball dominant.. And there just isn't many all star SGs out there. People please do not confuse how valuable Bev is playing next to Harden with how valuable Bev would be for any other team in the NBA. It leads to crazy speculation like Bev is worth $8M on the free agent market.
Although I'm not sure I agree totally with your post, I do think your point is valid and that is what makes it so hard to judge what Beverley's market value would be. Typically if you asked me what the market value would be for the single best defensive PG in the league that also averages close to 50% on his 3pt shots I would say at least 10 mil a season. But Beverley does not run the Rockets offense and probably hands out fewer assists than any other starting point guard in the league. Honestly, Mario Chalmers is probably the closest comparison to Beverley. Chalmers makes 4 million this season but I don't consider him to be as good as Pat, at least on defense. Chalmers has been a true 3 and D point guard throughout his career and has been a better 3 point shooter and ball distributor than Pat. So if Chalmers makes 4.3 mil next season I think that's where the negotiations start for Beverley, at least from the Rockets standpoint. If Pat continues to hit close to 50% of his treys and scores close to 15 PPG then I think his value will jump even more. Toss in the fact that everyone knows there is going to be a sizable jump in the salary cap in the summer of 2016 and I think Beverley will get a salary between 6 and 8 million a season. Just a guess and nothing more.
rotation players are earning $5M per... see papa's contract. pat bev, as a starter, the heart of the team, and an all defensive team member will earn around $8M per. also, i think its time we start paying to keep our players. pat, james, ariza, and howard should be kept together for as long as our window is open.
Well said. NBA GM's overpay and make horrible decisions constantly, but based on the logic you described I don't think Bev is a huge risk to leave the Rockets for a huge payday.
