As of now, I would definitely take Wade. However, in a couple of years it might be a different story.
After this series against portland, I will Roy is already at same level as Wade. Not as good as kobe/james, but he is as good as wade.
Roy is like a smaller version of Tmac but without all the baggage.... great skills, court sense, and ability to manage the game
We wouldn't have Shane if we had Roy, we got him for our 1st round pick that year. In fact, we might not have Scola or Ron either.
i don't see much of a comparison except for the handles. roy is sturdy and nothing exceptional in terms of build/athleticism. whereas mcgrady, to quote bill simmons in 2001, "whoever invented the word 'length' was talking about tracy mcgrady." mcgrady is also a much better passer/playmaker even though roy plays point at times and is a very willing passer. this comment will definitely raise some eyebrows since the perception is of roy as a great playmaker - i would describe him more as a willing playmaker. he's not mcgrady in this department though. you can't crowd t-mac and take away his passing angles - he'll still thread the needle and find guys open. the big difference though is roy's ability to finish and shot selection. despite his superior athleticism, tracy is nowhere near the finisher brandon roy is and has nowhere near the willingness to take it in. that's probably the main thing i took from this series. roy is just a rock - he'll take it in every time and absorb contact at the rim from yao and still finish. tracy on the other hand could jump over you and dunk ON you when he was young, but he's never been able to go THROUGH people like roy. he's scared of contact. and i don't remember roy taking any bad shots this series like tracy is accustomed to taking. EDIT: i will add that the perception of tracy is as a great scorer while the perception of brandon is as a great playmaker. but the reality is that tracy at this point is a much better playmaker than he is a scorer, and conversely, i actually think brandon roy is a much better scorer than he is a playmaker, if he actually tried to score.
Like someone said earlier, switch each players spot with their teams and the trailblazers will be THAT much better off.
Roy has a better jumpshot. At this point Wade is still better. He just has that will of a true superstar.
I do mean this year, and I don't mean in terms of "ability to put his team on his back" -- I mean the ability to lead his team and elevate the play of his teammates. In my opinion Roy is one of the best SGs in the league, but he still is no Dwayne Wade. Like others have said, he still doesn't possess the ability to take over a game and score at will like a Wade, Bryant or vintage McGrady can, and he is still too dependent on the pick and roll for what he needs to do (although this may be just a function of Portland's offensive system).
that's not saying much. you put even last year's mcgrady on this team, and i think we could beat the lakers. on a different note, i was just now trying to come up with a revised list of my top 10 players in the NBA, and it just now hit me for the first time that while it's always harped on how there are no great centers in the league today...where are the power forwards? there's not even any great power forwards left. duncan is washed up. garnett is washed up. brand is washed up. boozer is washed up. amare took a huge step back this year and is looking very one dimensional. you have pillow-soft chris bosh who is, in shaq's words, "the rupaul of NBA big men". david west and lamarcus aldridge are nice players but won't exactly be knocking down the hall of fame door. there is a case pau gasol might even be the best power forward in basketball right now. i like pau gasol alot, but...pau gasol. charles barkley is rolling over in his grave. i must be forgetting someone because there is no way things have gotten this bad. i guess dirk, but he's not exactly a power forward. then of course who have your centers where yao and dwight would be 3rd tier guys in the 90's behind dream, shaq, david robinson, ewing, mourning, and possibly even dikembe. look at the remaining teams in the playoffs: houston, LA, denver, dallas, chi/bos, orlando, cleveland. we're only up to the semifinals and the two best inside players are yao and pau gasol, and the former can be taken out of the game as simply as moving his defender in front of him. it's really incredible just how much the game has changed as this time 15 years ago you would likely have barkley, malone, olajuwon, robinson, ewing, oneal, mourning, mutombo, rodman etc. etc. still playing and most importantly, being the main factor for their team's success. and of course, except for michael, the guard play of today is light years ahead of what it was then. if you want to say michael, magic, and isiah were better than kobe, lebron, and wade, that is fine, but i will say that the top 6 guards right now (kobe, lebron, wade, paul, williams, roy) are better than at any point in nba history. here's my breakdown right now of the top 10 players: tier 1: lebron, kobe, wade big gap tier 2: roy, paul, d. williams smaller gap tier 3: i don't even know who to put in tier 3 to replace the spots duncan, nash and the like once held. i guess dwight howard, but he is so, so overrated. you probably have to put yao because he is the single most unguardable player in the league, except that he becomes the single most guardable player in the league when you move his defender in front of him. tony parker? dirk? gasol? tier 3 is weak right now.
Wade is a billion times better and if he hadn't gotten hurt the last few years he would be dominating and this wouldn't be a question. Wade carried his team to a championship. That was a team that had a banged Shaq who was a shell of himself during that championship run.
Wade is, without a doubt, on the same level as Lebron and Kobe. His stats are as good as Lebron's and better than Kobe's. Wade is also the only one of them to go Jordan in the NBA Finals and win a ring. He is a lot better than Roy but I have actually mentioned on this forum before that when Wade is 32-33 and has lost a step or two he will be pretty much what Roy is now.
I concur that D. Wade is elite, just as good as Lebron or Kobe...I used to dislike him because I thought he was overrated, but last year I changed my tune. He really is that good. Roy isn't there yet.
Ditto I think Roy is clearly the 3rd best SG in the league. I think he is a notch below Wade/Kobe and a notch above the next group (Johnson/Iggy/Carter). Wade in particular is much superior on defense, drawing fouls and leading teammates (whoever knocked Wade on leadership/do whatever for the team mentality is missing one of his greatest strengths--though I don't think Roy is bad in these respects) If we are talking all guards and wings, add in Lebron (by far the best player in the league) for sure. I am close to on the fence between Paul and Roy because the latter was better this playoffs, but I got to give Paul the edge from overall body of work (regular seasons, last years playoffs, etc). I am not totally convinced Roy is better than Deron either, but I wouldn't argue against it. So among smalls (guards and wings)... Tier 1: Lebron Tier 1b: Wade/Kobe (lets not get in this debate here) Tier 1c: Paul Tier 2: Roy, Deron Williams (great, great players & just off 1st team all NBA capable) Tier 3 (all-star capable, but not real all NBA 1st team threats): Pierce, Johnson, Iggy, Granger, Carter, Parker, Billips, Nash, Allen, Harris, Durant, Anthony, Gordon (not in order)
I find the notion that any player can "carry" a team to a championship absurd. Every team that has won a championship has a really good team and usually one guy who puts it all together like a Wade, Pierce, Duncan. But that person can't do it by themselves. Even Jordan needed good teams before he won. People have it both ways when they talk about it. When talking about the best teams they'll say, "oh man LA and Cleveland are so deep and have the big guys at the top" Then when they're talking about who is best they say "oh, man Kobe and LeBron are carrying their teams to this success. Wade is good but he doesn't have his team as good as the otehrs so hes not MVP." Are they carrying their teams or are they great players on great teams? I would say all three of those guys are still better than Roy, but that gap isn't as big as many think and its closing.
