Let's See Throw all his supporting cast under the bus to protect the MIGHTY TMAC . . check Blame it all on injuries to protect the MIGHT TMAC. . . check Add in the qualifier, when he wanted to, if motivate, blah blah blah .. . check Rocket River TMAC = Bob McAdoo . . without the Defense
results and that's the reason why he's been bounced around, either the team doesn't like him or he doesn't like the team or coach. and don't give me this teammates crap, the Rockets were great last year without Yao and Tmac still wanted to leave cause he couldn't get along with Rick. Turns out Rick was right about playing him only 7 minutes. New York gave him what he wanted and he still broke down.
he's good, but not as good as derek fisher. dude got 5 rings. geez. dfish can play defense, mad clutch, make big shots, deliver in playoffs.
don't be mad cuz the first two are true, HE HAD FRIGGIN RYAN BOWEN STARTING NEXT TO HIM cmon man, the dude would stand at the free throw line clueless of what to do as teams sagged off into the paint and he still wouldn't shoot. jon barry, westly, sura, they all went down hill after their first year. to say his body wasn't the main factor in his unsuccessful career would be ignorant, besides the last injury no one had any doubts that he ever faked the injuries or was complaining too much, the man had back spasms and cartilage damage you CAN'T play basketball through that. stop crying about mcgrady, let the man get out of the first round so he can finally put this bs to rest
I think it's funny how much this board hates tmac. there was an interview recently with jon barry with their greatest achievement and greatest disappointment as an nba player. his greatest disappointment was that him and the entire rockets casts could not bring tmac to the second round of the playoffs. reason? cause he said they just weren't good enough. he saw firsthand tmac's work ethic and struggle and that it was sad that the rocket's team just wasn't good enough. please don't talk about how tmac couldn't win in the eastern conference. you know who his best players were? john amaechi, darrel armstrong, and drew gooden. the first two being @ the end of their careers and drew gooden was a new/young player at the time. tmac gained weight here in houston as muscle mass originally, if you look @ tmac year to year, he was putting on a bunch of muscle mass. his first two seasons here as a rocket, he was really built. it's when he started getting injured that he lost that flair. can you ppl not remember tmac being in the top 5 mvp voting 2-3 times as a rocket? ****ing mvp....he'd arguably have been in that discussion more if he wasn't injured. it's true you measure a player by their titles and accolades..........and that's the reason why lebron left the cavs, ain't no way he's winning a title there when your robin is mo williams
^^^^ also, look at his build year to year from orlando, he put on muscle mass year to year in orlando then continued in houston....
don't talk about teammates? you're kidding me right? do you not remember ryan bowen playing a crap load of minutes? do you not remember us saying we need rafer alston? do you not remember yao sucking in the playoffs? we depended on ppl like luther head, scott padgett, bonzi wells, dikembe, etc. either they sucked or were near the end of their career where they....well.....ended up sucking. if kobe never got pau gasol in a straight hand me down, would kobe be looked in the same light as he is today after a back to back? if the tmac was with the lakers his whole career and got to play with shaq and pau gasol, would he still be held in the same light?
that was a fake rivalry. it's like Tyson (Kobe) vs Michael Spinx (Tmac) Michael got knocked the f out in the first round. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/q32h5AC2UzU&hl=en_US&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/q32h5AC2UzU&hl=en_US&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
Obviously Tmac was talented. One of the most talented players in the league during his prime when he was healthy. But he isn't even in the conversation as far as all time greats go. You have to have playoff success to be an all time great. You don't necessarily have to win a ring (see Barkley, Malone, Stockton, ect), but all those guys lost in the finals to other all time greats. If we were talking about Tmac's teammates being the reason he hasn't won a ring, that would reasonable (see Lebron and Iverson who took subpar talent to the finals and lost), but we are just talking about getting out of the first round here... There are tons of teams with terrible supporting casts who had no chance of winning a ring that have made it to the 2nd round before.
That's actually a great analogy. T-mac's best games against the Lakers in his orlando days would've come when Rick Fox among others were spending most of the time on T-mac guarding him. Whenever Kobe guarded t-mac he seemed to become submissive to Kobe's shear will to dominate him.
I would rep you if I could. All of what you said is true. It would piss me off that T-mac would have to do it all by himself, and he STILL would hardly get any credit. Ignorant douchebags are quick to point out his failures, but are slow to point out his high moments. Tracy honestly had no supporting cast outside of Yao, and even then Yao wasn't reaching his full potential. RYAN BOWEN?? DAVID WESLEY?? I mean come on!! To call Tracy names and to criticize him unfairly is just plain ignorant and uncalled for. I'd like to see anyone of you douchebags who make fun of Mcgrady, carry a team like he did.
I remembered Yao led the comeback from 8 pts down to 5 pts lead in 4th quarter for 2007 Game 7 against Jazz. I remembered he was able to win the first round with Artest in 2009. Yao sucking, I think not. Kobe wouldn't win his championship without Shaq or Gasol. But gave him YaoMing he'd win it too. Barring injury, Gasol is never a better player.
we also had ariza, artest, aaron brooks, kyle lowry, a now transitioned luis scola, etc. he didn't have to carry a broken bob sura, rafer alston, ryan bowen, scott padgett, etc. you quote the 2007 game 7 jazz game? guess who the mvp of that game was for the rockets? his stats? T. McGrady 29 Pts, 5 Reb, 13 Ast, 3 Blk you talk about yao leading the way? how about tracy and yao did it, don't say yao did it. in fact here's the espn write up of the game. you know what they key plays that killled us that game was? whenever boozer outjumped yao for two offensive rebounds at the end of the game. i remember this because i was like screaming at the tv "JUMP YOU *****ING GIANT JUMP!" ESPN Write Up: The Jazz led 75-67 after three quarters, but Yao and McGrady each scored to start a 7-0 run in the opening minutes of the fourth. Rafer Alston banked in a 3-pointer with 8:38 left to force an 80-80 tie. On the Rockets' next trip, Yao got fouled on an offensive rebound and hit two free throws to give Houston its first lead since the opening minute. Boozer and McGrady traded acrobatic shots over the next two minutes and Boozer cut Houston's lead to 88-85 on a strong drive past Battier. Juwan Howard missed a jumper at the other end before Andrei Kirilenko sank a 3-pointer with 5:05 remaining to tie the game at 88-all. Two minutes later, Okur made a 3-pointer from the wing to give Utah the lead for good. The Rockets cut it to one twice, but Boozer outjumped the 7-foot-6 Yao for an offensive rebound. "At that time of the game, it seemed like every play could be the clincher," Boozer said. Okur finished that possession with a 3-pointer from the wing, putting the Jazz up 99-95. Yao hit two free throws with 57.8 seconds left, but Boozer grabbed another offensive board and hit two free throws with 19.9 seconds to go.
^^ and don't get this write up as yao hate, i love yao but he's hurt just as much as tmac. and you know what the sad part about it is? because yao finally got the supporting cast when tracy got hurt, tmac gets the **** end of the stick. up until last season...and i believe it still stands actually that the rockets win more games with tmac with no yao than yao with no tmac. and if you completely dismiss the year that we made the 2nd round and yao had a better supporting cast, it is a significant difference.
Because TMac was doing crap in the final minutes and didn't get mentioned? This is play by play inside 5 minutes for TMac and Yao What's Tmac doing? Bricked 2 long shots and just disappeared until the game was lost? That's so clutch. YM did his best to keep Rox in the game but TMac couldn't do a damn thing to help him. http://www.nba.com/games/20070505/UTAHOU/playbyplay.html 4:46 McGrady 3pt Shot: Missed 4:28 McGrady Fade Away Jumper Shot: Missed 4:04 [HOU 90-91] Yao Jump Shot: Made (24 PTS) Assist: Battier (3 AST) 4:04 [HOU 91-91] Yao Free Throw 1 of 1 (25 PTS) 3:38 Yao Turnaround Jump Shot: Missed 3:01 [HOU 93-94] Yao Slam Dunk Shot: Made (27 PTS) Assist: McGrady (12 AST) 2:14 Yao Turnover:Lost Ball (4 TO) Steal:Harpring (1 ST) 1:56 Yao Rebound (Off:2 Def:4) 0:57 [HOU 96-99] Yao Free Throw 1 of 2 (28 PTS) 0:57 [HOU 97-99] Yao Free Throw 2 of 2 (29 PTS) 0:09 [HOU 99-101] McGrady Driving Layup Shot: Made (29 PTS)
wanna post kobe's play by play v. the thunder in the first round? or boston's game 3? if you're going to nitpick like that, you can bring up big games of every big time player where they struggle. tmac put up 29 points and 13 dimes in that game. you can't expect him to dominate literally every damn minute. others had to help him out.
