How about Juwan Howard and Luther Head for Drew Gooden????

Great idea, but we do not have enough to entice this deal. Why would they want Juwan and his 3 year remaining contract?

Juwan is untradable, except for another mediocre - non starting caliber player with an equally bad contract

 

We can sign with Wesley First.
Than trade Howard + Head + Wesley for Gooden + Jones. Right?

 

And do we need Donyell Marshall ?

 

good lord, you have three threads on the front page, and 16 ? marks spread out among them. go easy on the punctuation.

 

I don't think Cavs will be foolish enough to trade Gooden for J.Howard.

Another possible trade is that Rox send Head and Trade Exception for 76er's Korver and Randolph. Shavlik Randolph is a tough PF exactly and he ranks 5 in Off Reb per 48 min.

 

good idea!
but will cleveland give up drew for juwan and head?

 

if it's good enough.

 

let me be the first to flame you -
you canNOT package a TE with one of our players in a thread.

TE + Cash --> OK
TE + Draft Pick --> OK
TE + Different TE --> NO
TE + Player --> NO

 

Technically you're correct that you can't combine the TE with a player, but there's some flexibilty in the trade rules that allow you to accomplish the same thing under some conditions.

In a trade each team in the trade is allowed to break the trade up into as many parts as they like, as long as each of those parts are legal. So, the given example could work like this:

Sixers: Send out Korver ($3.6M) and Randolph (400K) for $4M total going out
Receive: Head ($1M)

Total: $4M out and $1M in. You are always allowed to take back less salary, so the deal works from Philly's side. Additionally Philly would receive a $3M TE for the difference in salary.

Rockets: To make it work, the Rockets would view the trade as two separate deals:

1) In: Korver ($3.6M)
Out: Nothing (use $3.6M of the TE to cover Korver's salary). So, trade 1 is legal from the Rockets side.

2) In: Randolph ($400K)
Out: Head ($1M)
You are always allowed to take back less salary, so trade #2 is also legal from the Rockets perspective.

Philly is viewing the deal as a single transaction and it's legal from their side.
Houston is viewing the deal as two separate trades and they are both legal from our point of view. So, the entire deal is legal.

So even though you can't combine the TE with a player to match salary, because of this flexibility for each party in a trade to "instrument" the trade in any manner that they like, it is possible to break the trade up into multiple smaller deals so that it will work. Basically, you need to be able to cover one of the incoming player with the TE and the remainder of the deal needs to stand on it's own. The example here works because the TE can fully cover Korver's salary. If Korver's salary was more than the TE, then it wouldn't work.

We did this very thing in the McGrady/Francis trade. It was a single trade from Orlando's point of view, but it was broken up into three smaller trades on the Houston side. We used a TE to cover one of the deals and we actually received a TE in another of the trades.

Did that explanation make sense?

 

Except for one thing. Korver's salary is a shade over $4 million not $3.6 million.

 

As long as it's less than our TE, which is $4.2, then it's ok. According to Bender's salary page he was at $3.6 last year, so his raise for this year should still leave him below $4.2. Likewise, the salaries that I showed for Head and Randolph are from last year, they would both need to be adjusted to reflect their raise, but that wouldn't effect the deal.


Also understand that I'm just clarifying the rule. I'm not commenting at all on the probability or merits of doing the proposed deal. I'm pretty neutral on Korver. I don't hate him, but I'm also not that crazy about him.

 

No!

Drew Gooden is not enought for those two players

they would need to throw in another player

 

A Sweetney/Duhon package creams a Howard/Head package.

I don't think Philly is looking to openly dump Korver. Unless there's something going on that I'm not aware of, I could only see them trading one of their good young players (Korver, Iguodala, even Dalmbert) as a carrot for someone to take Chris Webber's dead weight. The two guys that they seem to want to move openly are Steven Hunter (legit TE prospect) and Iverson (for younger stars/draft picks/cap relief).

Evan

 

I doubt the Rockets will pursue Gooden because he doesn't make sense from a moneyball perspective. Cleveland did better with him on the bench than in the game.
82games

Our two most recent acquisitions were the opposite: their teams scored more when they were in the game then when they were out.

Snyder

Battier

Like it or not this team definitely has a direction now. Gooden isn't it.

I do expect Howard to be gone soon though because his roland rating is terrible.

 

Along those lines, the interesting name mentioned in the article's trade rumors was Delonte West. If Boston were willing to deal him, I'm sure Houston would be all over that deal. He performs way above his value and I believe that Morey is the guy that convinced Boston to select him. If he were indeed available, I'd have to think that the Rockets would be interested in getting involved.

 

Delonte West is not a huge difference from Head, West is a little better distributer and could be a backup to Rafer. I would rather have Tony Allen than West but Allen is definitely not a PG he is a tough 6'4" sg that won't take $hit off nobody. Allen has the type of attitude this team is missing without being a headcase and would be good for us IMO.

 

Disagree with you.
Gooden($10M) > Howard($7M) + Head($1M)
so if another player is throw by Cavs, Gooden + Player >> Howard + Head.

 

From an efficiency point and contribution to winning point of view it's not even close.

West has an 8.4% higher field goal percentage. While their actual salaries are almost the same ($1M), West's fair salary is over double that of Head ($7.73 vs $3.64). Additionally West has a roland rating of +2.5, while Head's roland rating is - 2.1 (That means that the Rockets actually play better when Head isn't on the floor).

West is a hugely efficient player and just the kind of guy that would appeal to Morey.