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  1. el_locoteee

    el_locoteee Member

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    Houston Real problem Turnovers

    20 T.O.


    Why hacking doesn't works when you shoot around 50% and is done over and over during the game and not selectively.

    SA shoot 53.6 TS% and Houston 55.7 TS%, so why Houston lost? Simple -5 in T.O. and -4 of OFF Rebounds.

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    Why Hack A .... doesn't work if you shoot at least around 50% and should not be a problem if other team use it extensively.

    Adjusted
    Houston from the field (35.5 - 66) 53.8 TS%
    Houston from the Ft (16-26.5) 60.4% TS%

    By them fouling, your basically guarantee to shoot same or better percentage without the fear of turning the ball over and a chance of collecting a OFF rebound for extra possession and on defense you are guarantee of defending half court where you have the best chances of stooping them, Today no difference.

    Houston tie 64-64 before Hack a Smith 73-72 wining After Hack a Smith.
    Houston losing 86-89 before Hack a Smith 98-98 After Hack a Smith.

    Houston + 4 during Hack a Smith. -5 When not.

    Houston actually benefit from the extensive hack. By Hacking SA prevent us from what are we worse at, turning the ball over and getting back in defense.

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    Key Moments the 2nd quarter when was not a Hack - A - Smith
    and at the end of the 3 quarter when Smith went to the bench.

    Actually Houston was better with Smith when he was Hack that when he wasn't
    When Hack +4 When not -6

    Smith is a low percentage shooter turnover machine is actually a help when he shoot ft again an again.

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    So when Coach say he is ok with Smith shooting Ft he is right, what is not right is when Dorsey or Capella are the one getting hack because they shoot so so so so poor. (not the case today)

    We hope that Howard play regular minutes in the playoff and with TJ Howard Smith you should be able to sustain any hack a big early in games just by percentage alone 50% with no T.O.

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    7 minutes Hack-A-Smith (+4 and zero T.O.)

    41 minutes regular basketball 20 T.O. Complete unacceptable -5 differential

    Here was the reason why we lost and is been a problem all season and what will hunt them in the playoff if we don't take care of the ball.

    Stop turning the ball over. So many silly dumb complete avoidable T.O.

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    Here are the adjustment of percentage for the record.

    San Antonio

    37-68 54.4% (2 pointer)

    6-17 35.2% (3 pointer adjusted)

    43-85 50.6% (From the filed adjusted)

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    9-12 75% Fts

    52-97 53.6% (Adjusted field point + Ft)


    Houston

    22-45 48.8% (2 pointer)

    13.5-21 64% (3 pointer adjusted)

    35.5 - 66 53.8 % (From the filed adjusted)

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    16-26.5 60.4%

    51.5-92.5 55.7% (Adjusted field point + Ft)
     
    #1 el_locoteee, Apr 11, 2015
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    Are passing literally looks like my r****ded middle school players in the 4th
     
    #2 Rockets025, Apr 11, 2015
  3. RESINator

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    Trying to deflect blame from Mr. McHale?

    When I was watching the game, those stretches of hacking put the Rockets and more importantly James Harden out of rhythm. +/- doesn't matter so much during that stretch but its after effects of disrupting our offense definitely affected the players. This leads to TOs.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Greg Popovich on Hack a Josh: &quot;Absolutely (it worked). I'd trade it any day rather than have James Harden with the basketball.&quot;</p>&mdash; Calvin Watkins (@calvinwatkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/calvinwatkins/status/586737259212382208">April 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  4. RESINator

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    False statistic. Of course you won't have TOs when they're running hack-a-smith. He's being sent to the line on every offensive possession. Not much time to run any plays.
     
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  5. el_locoteee

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    No I'm using numbers, not opinions. T.O. Hurt us and have doom us more than anything.

    There was not Hack a nobody in the second quarter and we score just 18 point, the rhythm was lost every time their bench play our bench and Howard wasn't playing.

    The true is when they stop the hack a smith in the end of the 3 they score 6-0 point in a blink, have they continue Houston would by percentage at least scored 2 point, losing by one made your math.

    Pls explain me what McHale did wrong?
     
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  6. el_locoteee

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    False? Did I made that up?

    Yes shooting 50% without turning the ball over is better or equal than shooting 53.6% and turning the ball over +5 times.

    That's why it doesn't work.

    Pop gamble and Tim save his gamble with a Block on a layup.
     
    #6 el_locoteee, Apr 11, 2015
  7. dmoneybangbang

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    It was a gamble for both teams but the odds were stacked for the Spurs. Dwight and JSmith are our only real rim protectors and Smith is a bit of stretch. TJones is too inconsistent on defense as he missed assignments quite a bit, which I blame more on a lack of playing time this season. Fortunately, we played good D during Hack-A-Smith as we played good enough to D to not let the game get by. It seems Howard's limit on minutes by the medical staff is pretty serious, otherwise he could have came in if only for a few minutes to see if he could fare better.

    It really comes down to putting your faith on your defense to keep the game close or going small and hoping to keep it close by outgunning the Spurs offensive machine.
     
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    What's done is done as far as strategy. goes in a hack a player situation. I do agree that our turnovers killed us. I'd actually rather Harden charge into the teeth of SA, or really go after Diaw and Green (5 and 4 fouls respectively) in those last 3-4 minutes. Oh well.
     
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  9. el_locoteee

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    They switch Leonard to avoid Green from fouling out but again turn over kill us.

    02:45 Harden Turnover : Bad Pass (4 TO)

    01:45 Howard Turnover : Lost Ball (4 TO) Steal:Duncan (1 ST)

    Hopefully the defense didn't allow point off this T.O.

    The big play that did not result was that beautiful pass to Terry for a miss 3 but the sad part is that Dwight had a rebound next to the basket for a easy dunk and fumble the rebound :mad:

    But Houston play well down the strech defensibly and even with T.O. and miss oportunities Houston have the game to win it and it was save by Duncan.

    Overall the Turn Over kill us and SA bench and Duncan save them.
     
    #9 el_locoteee, Apr 11, 2015
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    The real problem why we are losing is the coaching.

    We are always reactive, not proactive. You could actually see Gregg Popovich gloating on the sidelines over his array of strategies. While we are just trying to hang on and patch up the leaking ship.

    In the two games, we never surprised them with rotations or plays or sets. We were the ones who had to adjust to how they were defending Harden and Howard.
     
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    Our only problems as a team is turnovers and free throws
     
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    Our passing is way too predictable and it almost never works, that freaking pass when we're almost at the basket and throw it to a 3pt shooter. The Spurs knew it was gonna happen every freaking time!! What makes it worse is Harden is doing it blindly, Brewer is too wild with it, Josh jumps (don't know why he does that, so freaking stupid if you're not going to go up for the shot!) etc. TOs alone will indeed cost us dearly. Not running back after a bad pass, yeah I'm look at you James Harden self proclaimed MVP, is also a real problem.
     
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  13. RoxBeliever

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    In short, predictable offense--which is on the coaches.

    4 years of McHale and we're still playing streetball out there.

    Meaning, we suck when we're not getting TOs and transition because we're playing against a set defense. Streetball that this year became even more dependent on Harden.

    What's the stat? 43% of HOU offense is generated by Harden's points and assists.
     
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  14. el_locoteee

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    What was the strategy on Manu last play? O yes a ISO. Pop is gloating on the sidelines over his array of strategies.

    What was the defensive strategy on that last Houston play? O yes a blow by Harden. Lets be real Duncan save Pop today. The guy went back in time.

    Houston is the only team that have made SA human as of late.
    No adjustment? Did you see the adjustment on Parker and Diaw?
    We went form being embarrass to baisicly a FT or a one less T.O. away from beating the hotest team in the NBA.

    Tell any other coach that have done anything to POP as of late.

    Is easy to coach when he dosen't need to restrict Duncan to 25 minutes is easy to coach when you have a heatly team, remember when POP was looking average while Parker and Leaonard where not healthy.

    Pop is a great coach but the guy have been bless with a core that have been able to stay healthy all this years and the years they have been bang up they have lost.

    Do you know that we haven't see a single game with a full roster after the trades, not one day, not a single game.

    Are we going to blame Terry Stotts for Portland injury foes?
    Are we going to blame Rick Carlisle for Dallas old no defense players Rondo can't hit a bucket debacle?
    Are we going to blame Erik Spoelstra for their injuries and a Lebronless Miami?
    Are we going to blame Tom Thibodeau for Rose always being hurt?
     
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    Well, what did he do to help Harden out? Nothing, no screens, no cuts, nothing.

    Harden played so slow and tentative the defense could lock him down. So what did we do? Still put the ball in Harden's hands to create his own shot
     
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    If you ever play ball, it's take more energy to play D than O. One team constantly playing team D while the other team playing team O will tire you out faster. A few mins doesn't matter but play like that for a more than a Quarter and it adds up. The strategy overall work for the Spurs. Kept a 50yr Duncan fresh while taking Harden out of his game.
     
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  17. el_locoteee

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    Houston shoot the ball better than SA and thats even including the low FT%.
    Why wasn't Wizard Pop able to get Parker or Diaw any good shoot after Houston make the adjustment in this game. Why wasn't Wizard Pop able to stop Houston great shooting and have to resort to Hacking?

    Still put the ball in Harden's hands to create his own shot?
    Well Pop admited that he did the Hack-A-Smith becuase he want to take the ball out of Harden hands, so you want McHale not to use the only play that Pop did not have an answer for?
     
    #17 el_locoteee, Apr 11, 2015
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    James Harden was never in a rhythm tonight to begin with. I actually thought it took SA out of rhythm tbh. Kawhi had it going until hack a smith began then he started clanking. If I was mchale I would have let them continue with the strategy. As previous posters mentioned, we were +4 in that stretch. Who cares about hypotheticals (Harden's rhythm) when +4 is the overall output of the strategy.
     
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  19. benchmoochie

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    Analysis by paralysis. Nobody cares about your hack analysis.
     
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  20. el_locoteee

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    Are you Barkley? You sound like him? I guess your favorite president was Bush.
     
    #20 el_locoteee, Apr 11, 2015
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