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Houston’s G.M. Is a Revolutionary Spirit in a Risk-Averse Mind [NY Times]

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  1. jsmee2000

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    Houston’s G.M. Is a Revolutionary Spirit in a Risk-Averse Mind

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    Daryl Morey has charts and spreadsheets and clever formulas for evaluating basketball players, and a degree from M.I.T. to make sense of it all. He would explain this mathematical wizardry, except that every few minutes his train of logical thought is interrupted by impulsive exclamations.

    “Go, Rafer! All the way — nice!”

    “Oh, jeez. After getting up this lead, we lost our minds!”

    “Here we go, Luis! Here we go! Here we go!”

    Morey, the rookie general manager of the Houston Rockets, is a wizard in the field of quantitative analysis, a friend of Billy Beane’s and a “Moneyball” true believer. He is the N.B.A.’s highest-ranking stat savant, the first mathematical magician to run a team.

    Numbers are clearly very dear to Morey. Yet as he watched a recent game from a midlevel seat at Madison Square Garden, his refined logic was frequently overwhelmed by raw emotion. Morey became agitated when the Rockets took a bad shot. He bounced in his seat when they scored on the fast break.

    In other words, he reacted like every other general manager to the ebbs and flows of the game. Morey’s brain, it would seem, is not a web of wires and circuits. When he views the court, his field of vision is not overlayed by numbers and blinking lights, à la the Terminator.

    Morey, 35, is not in fact an android seeking to reduce basketball to stats and logic, although his manner of speaking might sometimes suggest it.

    “Humans make much better decisions when they’re integrating information,” Morey said, momentarily sounding like an alien scientist.

    Other times, he comes across as an insurance adjuster, explaining that his work is really about how to “better understand and manage the risk.” The statistical models are a tool, like any other, to find the right players, to pay them the right salary and, ultimately, to win games.

    Quantitative analysis, or analytics, was popularized in baseball by the author Bill James and championed by Beane, the general manager of the Oakland Athletics. The practice has been creeping into basketball front offices for several years, although with far less attention or demonstrable results.

    Morey estimates that about two-thirds of N.B.A. teams employ at least one expert in analytics (some on a part-time basis), but among his general manager peers, Morey is indeed something of an alien.

    Of the other 29 individuals who run basketball operations (as team presidents or G.M.’s) all are former players, coaches or scouts. Morey was, by his own description, an “unremarkable” basketball player in high school, though he once led his intramural team to the title at Northwestern.

    “In my head I’m a good player, but I think the data would show that I wasn’t very good,” Morey quipped.

    His professional résumé is firmly rooted in the business world. He was a consultant for the Parthenon Group, which helped coordinate the sales of the Celtics and the Red Sox. He worked for a defense industry advisory firm. He was a statistical consultant to Stats LLC. He holds a bachelor’s degree in computer science and an M.B.A. from M.I.T.

    Morey looks and sounds nothing like a basketball person, but he is a rabid sports fan. (He and his wife spent their honeymoon at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta.)

    He received his on-the-job training in basketball as a senior vice president for the Celtics, serving under Danny Ainge for three years as the team’s head of analytics.

    Despite the popularity of “Moneyball” — the 2003 Michael Lewis book that chronicled Beane’s revolutionary methods in baseball — N.B.A. teams are still inclined to put basketball people in charge of basketball decisions. Leslie Alexander, the Rockets’ owner, was convinced there was a better way. So he hired Morey to replace the longtime general manager Carroll Dawson, following the path taken by Sandy Alderson when he picked Beane for the A’s.

    “I wanted a guy who’s really, really smart,” Alexander said. “Daryl’s really, really smart.”

    Of course, Alexander could have done what other teams have, and simply hired someone like Morey as a consultant or a special assistant under a traditional G.M.

    “I want the guy doing the work making the decisions,” Alexander said. “Otherwise, it’s filtered.”

    For all of Beane’s remarkable success with the payroll-strapped A’s, the use of quantitative analysis remains in its infancy in basketball. Part of the reason is purely practical — basketball is neither as statistically driven, nor as statistically rich, as baseball. Unlike in baseball, in which a hitter or pitcher’s success is largely self-determined, basketball players are highly dependent on one another.

    “The difficult thing to factor in is basketball is more of a collaborative, chemistry sport than baseball,” said Chris Wallace, the Memphis Grizzlies’ general manager, who worked with Morey in Boston. “Obviously, you need star power and great players. But a tremendous amount of your success is dictated by your interplay and synergy with the team — continuity, chemistry, feel for each other, those type of intangibles, which are very difficult to quantify.”

    Even when a player is going one on one, Wallace said, he is still not entirely self-dependent. “The abilities of your team may dictate how much team defense is directed at you,” Wallace said.

    Morey, who became the general manager last May, is fairly guarded about the models he uses — understandable in a sport in which the science is still being developed. Basketball as a sport has not yet settled on more sophisticated ways for assessing a player, as baseball eventually did with statistics like on-base percentage and slugging percentage.

    But the search is on for something more meaningful than points per game. Morey and others in his field are filling hard drives with information, categorizing player types, shot selection, substitution patterns, the result of every pass and the success rate of the transition 3-point attempt (which, statistically speaking, happens to be a good shot).

    “We track everything imaginable,” Morey said. “Each pick-and-roll, what’s the result of it? Each guy on the floor, how efficient they are. A lot of it, we end up not using. But we track it so that we have it available in case the question comes up where it becomes relevant.”

    Whatever revelations Morey has found for assessing players, they remain proprietary for now. But at the team level, he said, there are four statistics that are now widely accepted as indicative of a team’s success rate: “effective” field-goal percentage (a combination of 2-point and 3-point percentages), rebounding and turnover rates (which determine how many more possessions a team gets), and free-throw edge (in attempts, not percentage).

    The Rockets presumably have a small army of people crunching this data. Morey will only say that the team has made a “significant investment of people and millions of dollars.”

    He is equally secretive about his methodology. But Morey said he could determine, for example, which players created the best scoring chances for their teammates. According to his work, the Rockets’ Tracy McGrady (in the last season they tracked him) led the league in passes that led to high-percentage shots.

    A traditional eyes-and-instincts scout might say that such a thing is self-evident, with or without the use of a high-tech abacus. Morey has no problem with that.

    “The data information is often just teasing out what the traditional folks have always known and believed,” he said. “But maybe it gives you a better sense of the risk around some of those decisions.”

    Risk is perhaps an underused word in the N.B.A. With small roster sizes, a salary cap and a luxury tax (which serves as a virtual ceiling on payrolls), franchises can ill afford to make a mistake when signing a player. Just as important as assessing a player’s skills is assessing his value — or “what do they produce per dollar,” Morey said.

    In baseball, Beane has become a master of winning on a small budget. In the N.B.A., the San Antonio Spurs have successfully navigated the salary cap and maintained a relatively low payroll while winning four championships since 1999. At the other end of the spectrum are the Knicks, who appear to be headed for a seventh consecutive losing season despite annually having one of the league’s highest payrolls. (The Knicks, incidentally, do not employ quantitative analysts.)

    “If you make a mistake in that area, it kills you for a chance to win championships,” Alexander said, referring to player contracts. “I wanted to have a system that was the most efficient and make the least amount of mistakes.”

    Analytics played a part in the Rockets’ trade for small forward Shane Battier in July 2006 (when Morey was serving an apprenticeship under Dawson). Houston gave up Stromile Swift and the draft rights to Rudy Gay, a lottery pick, for Battier, a player with modest career averages: 10.3 points and 4.7 rebounds. But he is an accomplished defender, a solid 3-point shooter, a willing passer and a selfless teammate. His salary, $5.9 million this season, is slightly above the league average. He is the sort of “glue” player that is essential to a team with two superstars (McGrady and Yao Ming) and championship aspirations.

    A savvy scout would recognize Battier’s intangibles. Statistical analysis lent credence to those observations. Sometimes, the data and the observations come into conflict, Morey said. But more often, the information complements and better informs the team’s personnel decisions.

    In Boston, Wallace said Morey never promoted analytics as “the holy grail” but worked with a “collaborative spirit” that put everyone at ease.

    “He’s the perfect individual to meld the traditional scouting, the eye-balling as you may say, with the more high-tech version of quantitative analysis,” Wallace said.

    That fusion was used in every acquisition the Rockets made last year, from Aaron Brooks (the 26th pick in the draft) to Luis Scola (obtained in a trade with the Spurs).

    Alexander insisted that placing his team in the hands of a business-school graduate, rather than an N.B.A. veteran, was not a risky decision. Indeed, he saw it as a move to minimize risk. How will Alexander know he was right? How will Morey know his methods make practical sense? How will other teams know whether to make the leap?

    With a very old-school, easy-to-grasp bottom line.

    “I do think at the end of the day how people judge it will come down to whether or not we win titles,” Morey said. “I think that’s appropriate.”
     
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  2. DonkeyMagic

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    nice little read. Nothing too new but morey is always worth a laugh or two with his quotes.

    :D
     
  3. Dave_78

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    I am very impressed with what he has done so far. Brooks, Scola and Landry are the 3 best rookies this team has picked up in the last 5 years. Francis has been a bust but he was cheap so that was a gamble you take every time. Bringing in James hasn't panned out but we got rid of Juwan who probably would have taken minutes from Scola and Landry. Even knowing that James was going to be trash I am still glad that deal was made simply to clear the minutes for the young guys. I also think MJ still has something in the tank that either we might be able to use or perhaps another team desperate for some instant offense.
     
  4. Sherlock

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    .... outside of Yao with the first pick of the draft, which did take some boldness to do, the best in over 10 years!

    This has been Houston's greatest weakness, which I'm hoping is corrected, even if it takes a few years to catch up.
     
  5. durvasa

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    That was an interesting read. Thanks for posting.

    I think his basic philosophy isn't that the numbers should replace your observation, but rather they should strengthen them. If you have data that confirms what you think is right, it allows to make decisions with more confidence. And if the data doesn't seem to support what you think is right, it forces you to revisit it. Maybe you missed something, or maybe you methodology for collecting and analyzing the data is flawed. So, you simultaneously refine both your observations and how you do the "number crunching," which over time should strengthen your decision making. This seems very sensible to me.
     
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    Brooks was a straight up Adelman pick. At the bare minimum, an agreed to recommendation. The Spurs were trying to shed salary and intended to send Scola to the EC but couldn't find any takers. (Guess no teams in the EC use $Ball :p ). Hollinger ranked Landry behind Big Baby, McRoberts and Fazekas. We'll see whose spreadsheet had the correct formula in the future.

    The only thing I give Morey "credit" for is Battier. In my view, that's a dis-credit.
     
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    J-Ho for Mike James + Trade Kicker + J Redd (waived) is a GIGO trade. But the Rockets get a bigger garbage dollar-wise and a bad contract with one more year at the end. Good work for moneyball!? :rolleyes:
     
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    Money ball GM wont work until you have a coach playing money ball.

    JVG is actually a better fit to Morey when talking about sticking to stats, data, plans...
     
  9. durvasa

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    Here were your comments on the Brooks back in July, when everyone was criticizing it:

    [rquoter]From Day 1, I have NEVER and STILL don't buy in to the concept of $Ball for basketball. Brooks may very well be the BPA from a $Ball aspect. But that only serves to focus on the flaws of $Ball for basketball. $Ball application totally disregards fit and upside. Those are human inputs.

    Totally discounting Fernandez, the BPA possibilities at #26 IMHO were numerous. And nearly all the external rating sources had Brooks as a 2nd rounder. The Spurs and Mavs have had solid success at both late and international draft choices. They took Splitter and Fazekas.

    A truly active and effective GM would have gotten the Suns #24 with a promise to take Brooks or the LTax pressed Suns' choice at the non-guaranteed 31 spot.

    BUT that requires insight and skill that can't be programmed in to $Ball.[/rquoter]

    Here's another:

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    5) No one...absolutely NO ONE...has provided hard evidence of the success of $Ball in the NBA. Clearly, anyone can pick their own criteria of what obscure aspect they want to emphasize. That's the reason John Hollinger didn't have Brooks or Landry in his Top 35. Is Morey "smarter" than Hollinger?
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    You were convinced it was a "$Ball" pick back then. What changed (other than Brooks turning out to be a player)?


    You still don't get it. Morey isn't basing his decisions on a single formula, and he never did. If you want to be taken seriously on this topic, quit making stuff up.

    And here's some more prescient commentary from you on draft day:

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    The tell us that #26 won't contribute this year yet they think we need to be ecstatic over another under sized player. A player who's the same size and quickness as someone already on the roster...only, the draft pick costs 3x as much as JLIII.

    If #26 isn't going to play and the Spurs have a nose for late round talent, why in the hell don't they stash Splitter in Europe for another season?

    Another team doing well with late round picks...the Mavs take Hollinger's favorite Fazekas. The Rockets....Landry.

    I'm underwhelmed. $Ball strikes again
    . F[/rquoter]
     
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    There was an interview with a Blazer's scout at Blazer's Edge blog. One question had to do with how scouts use numbers:

    So, it's not like the use of "numbers" is a foreign concept to other NBA teams. I think Morey's expertise is in finding better ways to collect and analyze the data to complement what you see ( the "eyes", if you will).
     
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    put the claws away.
     
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    Hook Morey up to a lie detector and ask him if he doesn't regret that deal.
     
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    I wouldn't put too much faith in this stuff just yet. Eventually the techniques they develop could be very useful but at this point they're gathering data that they're not even sure is relevant. That suggests to me they're still in a very preliminary stage.
     
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    Blazers have someone like Morey whose helped them assemble their current team. I think he was one of the MIT guys who beat the casinos.
     
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    His biggest acquisitions have been guys that haven't played in the NBA. So that tells me he must have some crazy way of calculating how players will perform in the NBA based on their college/overseas stats. Thats what blows my mind.

    Personally I assumed that would be his weak spot. Evaluating talent that never played in the NBA, because the stats wouldn't necessarily correlate- (for example Durant's rebounding goes down drastically, but big men like Horford increase their rebounding). Also the 3pt line is closer, there are true zones, presses, etc... But he clearly has some kind of system.
     
  16. durvasa

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    There might be some indicators that he tracks, but I don't think there's some magic formula or anything. The Rockets had been scouting Brooks and Landry over the last year, and they each brought certain elements that were team needs. Phoenix was also apparently very high on Brooks, so you don't need some crazy statistical analysis to think he'd be a good player.

    Look at the players the Rockets have brought in over the last couple years: Chuck Hayes, Shane Battier, Steve Novak, Bonzi Wells, Kirk Snyder, Mike James, Steve Francis, Luis Scola, Aaron Brooks, Carl Landry. Is there any formula that links all these players together? The only thing you could really say is that the Rockets didn't spend a ton of money on any of them.
     
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    Morey looks like someone that could play for the Jazz.
     
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    BUMP for Historical Meme interest.

    You are now in the thread that contained the first ever posting of the infamous Morey photo. It is from the NYTimes article in the OP. Click the link to see original use by NYT.

    Look at the date ==> Jan 28th, 2008

    Rockets won 22 Games in a Row after this thread and NYTimes article were posted using the famous Morey photo.

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  19. JoeBarelyCares

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    This thread is the Patient Zero that infected a legion of future Morey threads.
     
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    really appreciate seeing this thread. thanks HP
     
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