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House Passes GOP Bill To Bypass President To Speed Approval Of Keystone XL Oil Pipeline

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bobmarley, May 23, 2013.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Agreed, who needs oil anyway?
     
  2. Dubious

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    Did I say anything about Saudi oil? Norwegian, Scottish, Iraqi, Nigerian, Mexican?

    Tar sand oil is the most polluting and inefficient oil on Earth. And I still can't figure out why anyone would be for exporting US oil. Seems like a silly exposure of national security, for every barrel you export you are now one barrel more dependent on other countries' production.
     
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    I'm sure India is like "yeah, could we possibly want that oil for? I Mean, like, our economy is super awesome and people here don't die from easily preventable diseases due to a lack of energy or anything like that. And besides, if people in America are willing to shut off their natural gas supplies during the middle of their third blizzard then we should do just fine without electricity...or sewage...in door plumbing. But don't you worry, America is just a few years from eliminating all of that and becoming super efficient like us so they aren't dependent on an extra barrel of oil"
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Your opinion is hideously short sighted and simplistic.
     
  5. CometsWin

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    Yes, oil is the future. Good job, good effort.
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    Obama just voted for rail over the safer pipeline alternative. The oil is coming one way or another.
     
  7. Dubious

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    The Tar Sands belong to Canada, the US cannot dictate to Canada or stop anyone who buys from Canada. But, we don't have to concede eminent domain to a them to help facilitate their exploitation. It's not in our best interest to do so.

    Your neighbor might have the right to keep a car up on blocks in his driveway, but you don't need to loan him a jack to do it.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    So you prefer trains over pipelines, despite pipelines' much better safety performance as well as environmental performance. Got it.

    (and every time you call them "tar sands" it exposes your true intentions...oil sands is the industry term...only the extreme environmentalists call them tar sands)
     
  9. g1184

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    will the trains stop if the pipeline is built?
     
  10. Dubious

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    I prefer not to exploit tar sands at all. If it's more costly to do it by train then that's a step. If trains are going to blow up then the insurance costs should make it prohibitive.

    At $50 WTI I don't even know why we are considering oil that is more expensive than fracked oil.

    With Texas rigs idling by the hundreds, that's a real jobs issue. Why are Canandian jobs more important than Texas jobs?

    Support for XL is 100% a marketing and lobbying campaign by foreign interests. It does not serve the US job market, US oil markets or Climate Change initiatives. It's not our jerb.
     
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    lol where do I even begin with your lack of logic?

    Your latest point is that your long term forecast for WTI is $50. Please share you analysis behind this -- I can't wait to see it.

    Check your facts -- there certainly would be US jobs created if the Keystone XL pipeline is built.
     
  12. Dubious

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    um, no that was not my point.

    Do you support American O&G jobs or Canadian?
     
  13. peleincubus

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    i saw this online. can you peeps tell me how truthful it is or is not.


    Have you been smoking crack rocks? Since when does allowing a Canadian company to pipe oil to ports on the Gulf of Mexico for foreign export benefit our energy policy? Oh, I know! When Koch Industries has a significant ownership interest in Canadian tar sands. Gotta love the folks who were all up in arms about welfare rancher Cliven Bundy being told he had to pay to graze his cattle on government lands (like all his competing ranchers do), but have no problem at all with a foreign company being granted eminent domain rights and forcing American property owners off of their land.

    Build new bridges, highways, railroads, seaports and airports to update our country's embarrassingly outdated infrastructure? Nah, that there sounds like socialism because it benefits everyone. Allowing a foreign company to force Americans out of their homes at the behest of billionaires? Now THAT is freedumbs. 'Murika!
     
  14. rage

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    It's true.
     
  15. JuanValdez

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    Koch Industries is an American company.
     
  16. Dubious

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    No, it's a multi-national. The management is based in Wichita where they enjoy all the rights and protections of American police, courts and military but they use foreign based subsidiaries to avoid paying for their share of the taxes that pay for them.
     
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    The original quote points out why Republican congress cares about a Canadian company. It cares a little because of the lobbying but it cares more about its true master: Koch Industries.
     
  18. bigtexxx

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    Educate yourself. The US is not allowed to export crude oil. Therefore your post is pure ignorant nonsense.
     
  19. Dubious

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    He just skipped the refining step. But the refining and export are done within a Free Trade Zone so the effect is the same.
     
  20. rage

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    You need to educate yourself.
    What in the US law prevents a Canadian oil company to export Canadian oil?
    Talking about ignorant.
     

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