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Hospitals Sued to Keep Prices Secret. They Lost.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Andre0087, Jun 24, 2020.

  1. ThatBoyNick

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    I'd take it a step further and propose breaking the US into 8-10 countries, something like this -

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    Everybody can govern according to their needs and wants.
     
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  2. Sanctity

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    NASA just needed to ride the student loan debt before getting a boost from unexpected medical bills to land safely on the Moon's surface. Patience is key.
     
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  3. RayRay10

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    Can Texas trade Oklahoma (to include Dallas) and Arkansas for New Mexico and Arizona?
     
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  4. Andre0087

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    I'd fight in another civil war before I'd see this great nation divided. Just a pipe dream anyways...
     
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    It’s a pipe dream but sometimes gotta wonder if it’s cheaper to keep her or go for the divorce
     
  6. Andre0087

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    Only b****es take the easy way out. We've fought greater threats than this and won. Doesn't matter anyways...it's not gonna happen. This isn't a marriage, it's our homeland.
     
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    Just so you know whatever side you chose is probably going to be the side that has the least industrial and economic power as that is all concentrated on enemy libtard land.
     
  8. ROXRAN

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    Yea the more you think of it, the more you realize especially during governor declarations of emergencies that can vary from state to state that we are like 50 different countries rolled into one big federal umbrella to consolidate the benefits ...it’s pretty unique from a world perspective, and let’s hope we can coexist in the future better among the diverse people we have. The President is similar In some ways to the role Roger Goodell , nfl commissioner has where he is in charge of the NFL teams but still needs to listen to each team owner as ultimately the collective of teams is the reason Goodell has that position in the first place
     
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    Kudos to trump!
     
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    If this was a Trump thing, good for him. But he's killing the country otherwise.

    We looked at an itemized bill for my wife's appendectomy and nearly s***. The way they jack up prices on the simplest things. $180 for a dosage (2 tablets) of Tylenol she didn't actually get, etc etc.
     
  11. jiggyfly

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    Like I said I don't know all of the ins and outs but the healthcare industry is not hurting and the only reason those prices will be passed on to consumers is to keep up their all-ready healthy profit margins.
     
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  12. DVauthrin

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    Good for Trump and his administration. It’s about time he did something that benefits the average American.
     
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    We'll see if it helps. One of the possibilities is that, with prices now known, hospitals may end up raising prices across the board...the idea being that hospitals may have been keeping prices low for one insurer without other insurers knowing. However, with prices having to be out in the open, it's likely that no insurer gets a discount anymore and the cost eventually raises everyone's premiums.
     
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    Way to rain on Trump’s parade!
     
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    Its not the profit margins that should be the focal point. We live in an era where we view 'growth' as good. The healthcare industry is full of bureaucracy that can be trimmed and stream lined. We see the same thing in government. If the healthcare industry can continue to grow the bureaucracy at the expense of the patient, it will be viewed as a positive thing, or in the least, a necessary evil.

    When a person steps into a clinic or hospital for services, there is already a cost analysis of how much needs to be 'bilked' from the person. For example, you step into a Dr's office and wait 15 minutes. Then you get taken to a examination room where an aid takes basic vitals...5 minutes. Then you wait another 10 minutes. Then the Dr comes in and gives you 5 or 10 minutes of their time. Then you spend another 5 minutes processing out. In all, you have been given 15 minutes of attention from the staff, however you are paying for an hour of service. A clinic may deem the overhead cost to run the business at $450.00 an hour per patient. Imagine the overhead cost of a hospital.

    ACA inserted a nice little booster, which on the surface looks great. You're allowed 1 free wellness visit. Labwork not included. This means the Dr gets a healthy patient to walk in and get his vital taken by an aid. He walks in for 5 minutes, scolds you, orders your bloodwork (again, which you pay. And if everyone comes in to do this, its a nice little medical stimulus for the whole industry).
    A better solution is to have wellness clinics (which could be subsidized or socialized) at fraction of the cost.

    Once EVERYONE can see the numbers, we could put pressure on the whole industry to streamline the process.
     
  16. Kim

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    It's called federalism. Most countries have unitary governments. The South tried to establish a confederal system during the civil war, reverting to how the US was governed pre-Constitution. If you really want to go back to what the founders wanted, they expected the president to be a little more powerful than a governor, but no where near what the executive branch is today. Not all Trump's doing - almost every president tries to expand executive power over the citizens and also in relation to other branches; it's just that Trump is going hyper speed with this.
     
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    #1 - I've stated I'm not against the idea of transparent pricing, just doubt its effectiveness in significantly reducing healthcare expenditures.

    I could give you so many examples of why it's a moot point whether transparent pricing exists or not. Healthcare is so much more complex than "what's the cheapest option".

    Say hospital A is the hospital with the $1000 BMP.
    1) you've been seeing Dr. Surgeon for many years and decide to have him operate on you. He only has priveleges at hospital A. Boom, you're getting cut on at hospital A whether you object to the $1000 BMP or not.
    2) you get in a car accident. EMS brings you to hospital A
    3) you get the sniffles and are concerned you have CoVid. You go to the nearest ER: hospital A. You're not gonna price shop the BMP costs of local hospitals before going to the ER.

    Could it impact some highly elective lab studies, like a pre-operative BMP done anywhere at the patient's discretion? Sure.

    But don't think its gonna be some panacea for rising healthcare costs.
     
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  18. xcrunner51

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    Well yea. That's exactly the point. The government is not gonna pass some law restricting the profits healthcare companies can make. The current system is admittedly broken, but short of going straight to socialized healthcare the profit motives will always be there.
     
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    Another right winger advocating for civil war. @B@ffled
     
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    I would give plenty of credit but we all know people aren't price conscious when they're in a medical emergency. The only thing that controls costs is regulation. We see what the private sector is doing with health care costs rising multiple times the rate of inflation for decades.
     
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