Apparently now there is a huge collision between the protesters and anti-protesters and the protesters are now demanding protection from the police.
Protesters poured into Mongkok area and now the pro-Beijing mobs are all gone/arrested. Mongkok once again is occupied by protesters. Many people are angry about the police for not doing enough to protect the students and came out. Crowds continue to pour into Admiralty. The HKFS has abandoned the plan to negotiate with Chief Secretary Carrie Lam.
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I'm generally tolerant with the professorial preaching provided that the person isn't just rambling on without reading the content he's quoting. I'm up for learning things, but this is mostly a waste of time. No kidding it's a fact of life, but it doesn't mean the natives have to accept it. The original discussion was about root causes for protests. Democracy has been mentioned and also the growing resentment between locals and immigrants. I offered something different, that the region in general isn't taking to well with their regional identity being diluted and I've been supporting my points about that undercurrent of resentment. Don't have to tell me that standardization is already happening. Maybe you should broadcast to the natives there to get over it and accept it. It's okay though. You've been hard at making sense of my posts. That frustration might explain your doucheyness. Then you haven't met those immigrants that make up 1/3 of the population? Culturally stratified much? Where did I mention Vancouver? Cool anecdote to rebut a forged anecdote, bro. Nuh uhh You didn't reply whether you or your grandparents spoke a language different than Mandarin. Even if you did jump on the "speaking Mandarin implies a higher class" train, that still doesn't discount how some people of your ethnic sub-group effectively miss losing that part of their history if only because their kids can't speak to their grandparents in their formerly native tongue. Just because you're in one camp doesn't mean the other doesn't exist or deserves understanding/consideration. Nor did you even fully read the link I provided that the author gives several points and examples of how language and cultural institutions are being diluted in Guangdong. Not cool at all. Jeremy Lin would be disappointed with your attitude. I grade you a C-.
It's pretty unfortunate that the elements of the pro-China groups are creeping up. This was pretty much expected considering that they themselves had a protest in August with 100,000-plus people gathering. I hope this doesn't escalate. The HK police really have their hands full.
People can't go to work, shops are closed, streets are jammed, tourists are no more. One does not need to be pro-China to be fed up with the protesters. Old man throwing away whole bags of rice product in anger for protesters put him out of business. <object width="420" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/wvWPYLtv7rM?version=3&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/wvWPYLtv7rM?version=3&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="420" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>
Good point. The clash between the two reminds me of this oldie: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/EsYRQkmVifg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
:grin: Democracy is a fair game, isn't it? I am lukewarm on the students. They know what they don't like, but demanding the Governor of HK to resign. Is that democratic? There has to be an exit, politically. Otherwise ... its just disorganized mob, who very well could turn into the next dictators.
Proven Triad involvement, CY Leung has been suspected working with Triads even before he became Chief Executive of HK. https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-police-arrest-triads-over-protest-clashes-232439115.html 2012 accusations: http://rthk.hk/rthk/news/englishnews/20120311/news_20120311_56_824775.htm 2013 scuffles: http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-link-meet-people-clash-tin-shui-wai?page=all 2014 journalist attack: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/press-freedom-knife-attack-hong-kong-editor-ming-pao How come other previous chief executive or CY's election opponents don't have the same accusation? Why all these triad related political violence only happened after he is elected?
Maybe it was " unimaginable" that CY Leung would conspire with the Triad over citizens. That's pretty unimaginable I guess. Police in Hong Kong have arrested 19 people, including suspected members of triad gangs accused of attacking pro-democracy protesters http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29488002
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>HKers not bcking down in face of violence. As rally gets undrwy, Admiralty crowd is as strong as ever <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/umhk?src=hash">#umhk</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/occupyHK?src=hash">#occupyHK</a> <a href="http://t.co/2cZsl5AlE6">pic.twitter.com/2cZsl5AlE6</a></p>— Harold Li (@waphle) <a href="https://twitter.com/waphle/status/518380864468561920">October 4, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>What now GovHK? At <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Occupycentral?src=hash">#Occupycentral</a>, tens of thousands sat, united against violence, often in eerie silence. <a href="http://t.co/KyRioRffUO">pic.twitter.com/KyRioRffUO</a></p>— Tom Grundy (@tomgrundy) <a href="https://twitter.com/tomgrundy/status/518379719264182274">October 4, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Full quote from fearless <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OccupyHK?src=hash">#OccupyHK</a> protesting grandmother Kong Su-lin for <a href="https://twitter.com/AP">@AP</a> <a href="http://t.co/co2N4T0wP9">http://t.co/co2N4T0wP9</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OccupyHK?src=hash">#OccupyHK</a> <a href="http://t.co/h9EtRvkLiM">pic.twitter.com/h9EtRvkLiM</a></p>— Joanna Chiu (@joannachiu) <a href="https://twitter.com/joannachiu/status/518401404260470784">October 4, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Most of the Hong Kong people are actually refugees from the Cultural Revolution during the 60s. It is sad to see them settled down and rebuilt their own family and business all these years to now sell out their next generation for their short term monetary gains. That grandmother story is same for so many HK eldery people. Too bad they forgot why they came to HK in the first place.
Sure. It is essentially chinese govt vs usa govt. http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-now-admits-it-is-funding-occupy-central-in-hong-kong/5405680
