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Honest Politicians? What on Earth are those?

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  1. Nick_713

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    While paying attention to the numerous Presidential candidates running for office, I have been hearing from the various news outlets about, in my own words, "ethics" (or lack thereof).

    In particular, the case of Hillary Clinton, people (mainly Conservatives) mention Hillary as being "un-electable" due to having a track record of being dishonest on policies among other things (such as Benghazi and the e-mail server issue), and the word liar has been thrown out, a lot, to describe her.

    For me, these 2 questions come to mind:

    1.) Who has, regardless of party affiliation, been considered "an honest politician?

    2.) Why is the word liar being used primarily to attack Hillary and not any other candidate running for President (like Cruz or Trump)?
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    I think it's a relative term. People expect a certain level of corruption or dishonesty with politicians, a dishonest politician is one who stands out as especially dishonest or corrupt in a sea of dishonest and corrupt people.

    When it comes to Cruz or Trump, I think it's fair to hit them as being as phony as Hillary, but none of them are the target of an active FBI investigation.....

    I mean Trump is being sued for fraud, so there's that, but he's not potentially facing criminal charges.
     
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    Despite the BS spread by Trump and clueless liberals, Ted Cruz is the closest we have seen to an honest politician in a long time. Funny that the most dishonest people spread stupid unfounded BS.
     
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    ONLY you would post something like that Carl; Repped.
     
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    That makes sense; as in having to something extremely ridiculous to put the voters on notice. Thanks for the reply.
     
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    I think as you drill down to lower levels and less populated jurisdictions it's much easier to identify honest politicians, partly because the selection process is less contentious or strategic, and because there's very little compensation, power or abstract pleasure in the duties themselves. I also think there are people who major in poli sci, get a law degree, work in government treasury but come to understand optics, motives, leverage and conflicting interests enough to operate in political environments; but are not fundamentally dishonest or operationally corrupt people. They were probably a little easier to spot back before we gave legislative pensions, because they usually died broke.

    Hillary is called a liar because her stature is directly linked to her husband's, who developed a reputation for dishonesty based on his past extra-marital affairs; being the first unfaithful sitting President in the post-Nixon news environment, and whose past business deals were re-investigated by the Independent Counsel. She was compelled to rebut a lot of public questioning and had a disproportionate amount of contentious media narratives for a First Lady, because of her openly active role in dictating policy and being the first First Lady to have a legal and business career.
     
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    Ben Carson agrees.
     
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    How did Cruz lie about Carson. He only referenced a CNN article. Rubio did it too and Trump called Carson "pathological". Try again.
     
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    Bible high, lyng Ted. :grin:
     
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    Come on, even your fellow evangelical Carson just endorsed Trump instead of Cruz, and for a reason. The real question is how can you look at Ted Cruz's face and believe that that is the face of an honest and trustworthy person? Seriously, how?
     
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    Ted Cruz is a lying scumbag homosexual.

    The most honest/moral are Sanders and Kasich but neither would be a good President.
     
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    Its like the game of thrones. Ned Stark was an honest decent person. He got his head chopped off.
     
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    Where do you get that Clinton is the target of an FBI investigation? You just invent things up!
     
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    It doesn't surprise me that you'd deny what is incredibly obvious. They are getting her staff to testify under oath, another staffer has been given immunity to testify...

    I know, just recite the talking points about how it's a "security review" and no big deal.
     
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    Honesty is not part of your MO that's for sure

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...whats-wrong-jeb-bush-saying-hillary-clinton-/
     
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