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Hinch & Batting Lineups!

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Coach Flip, May 1, 2017.

  1. Coach Flip

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    Good stats. I hope he keeps it up. I'd manage a team's line up more based on recent performance. It's inexcusable to keep a slumping player in cleanup for so long. Its a hole in the lineup when we desperately needed offensive flow.
     
  2. Joe Joe

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    Problem is no one knows how long slump will last. Typically, by the time we know a player is in a slump for sure, he's close to coming out of it. If he isn't close to coming out of it, you have a Carlos Gomez situation last year and whether to keep him on team is a bigger question than place in lineup. Correa has been out of a 2-3 week slump for a week now and no matter what he does, he can't change the slump that has happened and there is no reason to move him down currently.
     
  3. jim1961

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    I dug down a little deeper and saw this:

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/32653/carlos-correa

    By Situation:

    None On .310 .408 .429 .837
    Runners On .159 .208 .273 .481
    Scoring Position .107 .161 .143 .304
    Bases Loaded .000 .000 .000 .000
    Lead Off Inning .320 .370 .480 .850
    Scoring Posn, 2 out .111 .273 .222 .495

    He hits really well when no one is on, terrible when they are. In other words, in pressure situations, he folds. Not where you bat a guy #4.
     
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  4. Coach Flip

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    You crack me up! Carlos Gomez was a painful situation, and it seemed like it took Hinch forever to figure him out when the fan base already past judgment on him. Probably old news, but Gomez hit for the cycle yesterday.
     
  5. xcrunner51

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    Is there a further break down of LD% and/or BABIP in the base runners scenario? I know he hasn't looked great with base runners on but I'd like to know how much a bad luck vs bad contact component there is.

    There's no doubt in my mind that the first pitch-take business he's doing is hurting him. He's behind in way too many counts.
     
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  6. Joe Joe

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    It was also painfully obvious to cut Valbuena as well at end of April last year. Fans almost always overreact to small sample sizes. When guys truly go into the toilet, the organization looks really stupid to the fans especially when the player is out of options and his backup sucks too.

    I blame Luhnow more than Hinch though. The OF sucked last year outside of Springer. Hinch's choice most nights were a bad hitting Gomez or a bad hitting Marisnick if i recall correctly. I guess he could have put a slumping Gattis (he did hit later in year) in left and have ear infected Rasmus in center.

    Last year, 8 guys were worse than Correa at this point.
     
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  7. Buck Turgidson

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    During Correa's last week (6 games), he's 3-13 with runners on and failed to drive in a runner from 3rd with less than 2 outs all 3 times (2Ks and a weakass popup). The Astros lost all 3 of those games by 1 run.
     
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    I just don't think there's enough of a sample this year to make conclusions on Correa.

    He was hitting .310 through his first 34 PA. Then he went into a 2-27 slump sandwiched around a hand injury. Now he's slashing .300/.344/.533 over his last 32 PA.

    Overall he has no doubt sucked as a cleanup hitter this year, but if we drop him to 7th and he goes on a tear that doesn't create as many runs as it would have in the 4 slot, that will suck too. There will be a time when he needs to be dropped, it's just too early to make that call IMO.
     
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  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Much more knowledge, long time fan, yet you don't know the history of the Astros name?
     
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  10. Coach Flip

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    I liked Valbueno. Forgot about him. Correa was very productive last year, but it's a new season and contract issues may be a distraction. Marisnick seems like a better hitter thus far. Reddick and McCann have upgraded outfield and catcher. Last year we had so many injuries to go with some bad players/backups. I've only been following for a year, and noticed a big upgrade since 2016. Luhnow probably monitors the board and made some fabulous off season moves to meet demands.
     
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    For such a huge Astros fan, you should probably know that they play at Minute Maid Park, not at "Reliant" (which is now NRG stadium anyways) --- I wouldn't want you going to the wrong stadium to cheer your favorite team !

    Also Hinch is doing really well. Not sure why a manager would self-sabotage an opportunity and "bet against the Astros." That makes no sense, as does the rest of your post .
     
  12. tellitlikeitis

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    excuse me?
     
  13. Coach Flip

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    I do know the history of the name. Anyone can google it. I just didn't know if it was short for astronautical engineering or astronomicals
     
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Now, you've "only been following a year"? I thought you were a fan since the late 70s?
     
  15. Coach Flip

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    It was a joke, dude!
     
  16. Buck Turgidson

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    Also not sure how all that jives with "I've only been following for a year."
     
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  17. Joe Joe

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    Position players almost always have something bothering them physically. He had a nearly 3 week period that he was hitting ball weakly even with good contact. Last week, he's striking out a lot..but he's smoking ball when he hits it....even with RISP (3 out of 5 batted balls went 350+ feet, two of them outs though). If he was to be sent down in order, it should have been while he was hitting ball weakly.
     
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  18. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The Astros lead the league in getting on base via Catcher's Interference. You neglected to mention that.
     
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    Carlos Korea

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  20. Buck Turgidson

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    Is that Ben Stiller or one of the Menendez brothers?
     

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