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High school baseball parents buy new bleachers and scoreboard, dept. of edu. orders them to tear the

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  1. Dairy Ashford

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    It will more likely be between non-sucky and sucky male athletes in revenue sports. The rest of the males and all the women know their only payoff is a degree, they recognize that value and channel all the discipline and focus into getting it. There are also a couple of other demographic rifts that might matter more than gender.
     
  2. BetterThanI

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    Not quite. Is more like one classroom of students being given shiny new textbooks and laptops while another classroom in the same school has books that are falling apart with age and they all share one old desktop computer. If YOUR kid was in that second classroom, you might not be too happy about it.
     
  3. Deckard

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    I agree. Brutally stupid. I hope the President steps in and says just that. Perhaps he can do something about it, since this was a federal agency stepping into a local situation. It isn't about what political party is in power in Washington, but rather about a series of dumb decisions by Washington bureaucrats, the type that exist in every administration, for better or for worse.
     
  4. bmd

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    First off, it was bleachers so that the parents could see better and a new scoreboard so people could better follow the game.

    And it was paid for by the parents of the baseball team.

    If the softball team wanted new bleachers and a scoreboard, they could have paid for them and installed them themselves like the baseball parents did.

    It's not like the school favored the baseball team over the softball team. It was the parents of the baseball kids, not the school.
     
  5. Major

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    You never think why Fox or your conservative/libertarian blogs fed the story of a local story about kid's sports to you.

    Hey, good find by the one per centers.

    Ever notice they don't feed you any stories from around the country how the federal government does thousands of things right?

    Ever get one from #RandPaulisGod?
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    I'm with the Department of Education here because I'm uncomfortable with this trend of families subsidizing the capital expenses of schools that are supposed to be paid for with taxes. I understand why parents do it -- budget cuts force schools to cut necessary things from their budgets, so parents band together to help their local school provide the things necessary for their children's education. Makes sense and very noble and all that. But, it exacerbates the social inequity in the public education system where wealthy people in wealthy neighborhoods have better public schools providing better educations to their wealthy children than poor kids will ever have access to. Because parents of means will come to the rescue of schools laid out by budget cuts, legislators don't have to worry so much about the blowback and can keep schools underfunded. For middle- and upper- class neighborhoods, that means their free schools aren't really free -- in fact, they can't compete with similar schools unless their PTA does this -- and lower-class neighborhoods have schools that can't compete with the amenities available at the richer ones. So, if you're going to chew gum in class, you should bring enough gum for everyone.

    Is this then equality in poverty, like the old Soviet communism? A little. But, (1) we're affluent enough of a society that we don't have to underfund schools, (2) there's less urgency to properly fund schools if parents subsidize instead of forcing legislative change, and (3) there's always private school if you want to spend your own treasure so Tommy can play on a good field.
     
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  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    No it doesn't. It requires the funding to be equal for male and female athletics.
     
  9. Rashmon

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    Quoted for emphasis.
     
  10. glynch

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    Hey, for the types of folks who spread these stories, the public schools are "government" schools which they want to destroy due to their ideology.
     
  11. RocketRaccoon

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    If it stinks of communism, IT IS communism...and you putting expensive lipstick on it doesn't change that fact.
     
  12. Major

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    Even that's not really true. I can guarantee that UT Football's funding is more than all UT women's athletics combined - and that's ignoring other men's sports.
     
  13. Major

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    Uhhh, it has nothing to do with communism. :confused:
     
  14. CometsWin

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    This is the test.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX

    HEW's 1979 Policy Interpretation articulated three ways compliance with Title IX can be achieved. This became known as the "three-part test" for compliance. A recipient of federal funds can demonstrate compliance with Title IX by meeting any one of the three prongs.[25]

    "All such assistance should be available on a substantially proportional basis to the number of male and female participants in the institution's athletic program."
    "Male and female athletes should receive equivalent treatment, benefits, and opportunities" regarding facilities.

    "The athletic interests and abilities of male and female students must be equally effectively accommodated."[13][26]

    "Institutions must provide both the opportunity for individuals of each sex to participate in intercollegiate competition, and for athletes of each sex to have competitive team schedules which equally reflect their abilities." Compliance can be assessed in any one of three ways:[25]

    Providing athletic participation opportunities that are substantially proportionate to the student enrollment. This prong of the test is satisfied when participation opportunities for men and women are "substantially proportionate" to their respective undergraduate enrollment.

    Demonstrating a continual expansion of athletic opportunities for the underrepresented sex. This prong of the test is satisfied when an institution has a history and continuing practice of program expansion that is responsive to the developing interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex (typically female).

    Accommodating the interest and ability of underrepresented sex. This prong of the test is satisfied when an institution is meeting the interests and abilities of its female students even where there are disproportionately fewer females than males participating in sports.
     
  15. Major

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    It seems adding bleachers wouldn't affect compliance with Prong #3. It would be helpful to see the original notice from the Dept of Education - as I said earlier, it seems there's more to this story than being reported in the fairly one-sided news report.
     
  16. bobrek

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    So what you are saying is that you want to prevent middle-class and upper-class parents from paying for things for their child's school out of their own pockets so that their schools will not have any "advantages". And you want to purposely give those kids a worse education so that they get bad test scores so that you can tell the legislators, "you see! These schools are underfunded! That's why they are getting bad grades!".

    So you want those kids to do bad so that all schools get more money.

    I went to a private school in Louisiana that was poor as dirt. They didn't charge a lot of money. The books were old and the building was old and small. If you didn't know any better, you would think it was an "underfunded" school. And it was certainly underfunded by your definition.

    Yet the school was a National Blue Ribbon School. I'm sure you know what a National Blue Ribbon School is, but if not, here is a definition from Wikipedia:

    The National Blue Ribbon Schools Program is a United States government program created in 1982 to honor schools which have achieved high levels of performance or made significant improvements in closing the achievement gap in schools where at least 40% of the student population is classified as disadvantaged.



    Now, how was that school run by a bunch of poor Irish nuns using old books in a run-down building able to garner so much success? It's because it doesn't take a lot of money to educate kids. It has more to do with the families at home than the amenities at the school.

    These bad schools are in areas with a lot of single mothers, crime, poverty, and bad influences all around. These kids don't care about school because nobody is there to force them. Most kids don't have the foresight to know how important their education is. The parents have to make them do it and make sure they are doing what they are supposed to do. If the family is broken, then it would be extremely difficult for the kid to take it upon his or her self to do all the right things.

    I'm not saying many schools shouldn't get more funding. But what I am saying is blaming a lack of funding for the lack of learning is not accurate. Lack of learning is not a funding issue. It's a family issue.
     
  18. bmd

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    By the way... dragging other kids down as a means to "level the playing field" is wrong.
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    I'm not going to delve in thought, especially after JV's eloquent post, since the biggest farce is that this is about families and private donors paying for a prettier and "more equipped" sportsball field rather than the actual education system itself.

    It's like we're splitting hairs about getting our priorities straight without even realizing it.
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Life isnt fair nor equal, and parents wanting to help should not be discouraged but rather encouraged.

    DD
     

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