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Hate in the Age of Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
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    This is an article from Newsweek about hate groups rebranding themselves. Its relatively long so I'm just going to post the link and the first two paragraphs.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/195085

    Rebranding Hate in the Age of Obama
    With an African-American president and the economy in bad shape, extremist groups are trying to enter the mainstream—and they're having some success.

    It's not about hate, it's about love. Love of white people. That's the message in songs, speeches and casual conversation during a weekend retreat in Zinc, Ark., sponsored by the Christian Revival Center and the Knights Party, an offshoot of the Ku Klux Klan. There's no overt threat of violence here. No cross burnings (or "lightings," as the KKK prefers to call them). The only fire at the grassy compound, located at the end of a long, rocky road circled by turkey vultures, is a bonfire for the Knights youth corps to roast their s'mores. The kids draw pictures of white-hooded Klanspeople and sing songs about the oppressed Aryan race; rousing sermons are read from Bibles decorated with Confederate flags. Aryan souvenirs are for sale, including baseball caps proclaiming IT'S LOVE, NOT HATE and advertising THE ORIGINAL BOYZ IN THE HOOD.

    This would all be funny (Jon Stewart, where are you?) if it weren't so disturbing. "Do you know why people are so afraid of us?" asks Thomas Robb, the soft-spoken national director—don't call him grand wizard!—of the Knights. "Because we're so normal." In his speeches, Robb is more likely to make a joke about his short stature than he is about minorities. His Web site includes careful statements about nonviolence, green energy and women's rights. But among his ideological kin, Robb equates minorities to fleas and favors a program for "voluntary resettlement" to home countries. Illegal immigrants, as well as blacks serving time in prison, should be deported, he says. "Why is it that when a black man wants to preserve his culture and heritage it's a good thing, and when a white person wants the same thing, we're called haters?" he says.
     
  2. juicystream

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    What the hell does he mean by that? There is nothing wrong with preserving white culture, unless of course he means celebrating slave ownership, and opression. There is nothing stopping you from owning a confederate flag, or visiting Stone Mountain, or going to Civil War monuments, but there is something wrong with preserving the oppression of other human beings.
     
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    Actually a lot of people do consider owners of Confederate flags to be in the wrong. I'm still not sure that's a part of "white culture" seeing as half the country, at the time, was not in the Confederacy.
     
  4. jEXCLUSIVE

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    Woe, the plight of the Ayran race...
     
  5. juicystream

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    Yes people do, but you aren't get hated on for it. Stone Mountain is a very popular confederate monument, and you see a very diverse crowd there. It isn't part of white culture, but it is part of Southern culture. Many brave people fought and died as confederate soldiers.
     
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    Ironically, it's their idiocy that nudges them to breed like rabbits, while more intelligent people are likely to have 2 or fewer children.
     
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    Can we keep the confederate flag out of the discussion of inbred partially r****ded societal rejects?
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    That is an excellent point. If you listen to Prairie Home Companion that's as much a celebration of White Culture as anything in the South.
     
  9. vlaurelio

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    fixed
     
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    Almost 80% of the south didn't own slaves.
     
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    How many of the soldiers had slaves? Oh wait sorry I thought you were being serious intead of just a random idiot.
     
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    Probably not, since the Confederate flag is widely used (and has been for quite some time) as a rallying symbol for racist organizations and causes.
     
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    Yet they still fought to preserve the institution of slavery.
     
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    It depends on the individual. Robert E. Lee was against the institution of slavery, but loyal to the state of VA. He was fighting for state's rights, and not necessarily for fighting to keep slavery which he was personally against. Sadly slavery was the byproduct and was so important it should have over ridden any other cause. But isn't that simple to just say everyone who fought for the confederacy was a die-hard believer in slavery and wanted to preserve it.
     
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    White culture is the world that we live in. It has affected the history of every other culture in the world. White Culture is the entire premise of Western Civilization.

    The dominance of white culture is the reason that other ethnic groups have to embrace their own respective cultures. Because if they didn't, they would become lost in it.

    Everyone that lives in America is affected by and experiences some aspect of white culture. In fact whether are not we cognizant of it, we celebrate and recognize it everyday.

    And so does everyone in the entire world...
     
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    i guess i wasn't clear enough for you..

    their slaves = confederacy's slaves

    not soldier's slaves..

    Historian Drew Gilpin Faust observed that, "leaders of the secession movement across the South cited slavery as the most compelling reason for southern independence."
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Excellent points. The Civil War wasn't so simple as one side fought to end slavery while the other side didn't. Up until the Emmancipation Proclamation there was no policy to free slaves and even then slave states like Maryland that were on the side of the Union still got to keep slaves. Many southernors did see the war as a war of Northern aggression forcibly keeping them in a Union they no longer felt part of.
     
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    what does that even mean?

    go back 100 years, and irishmen were taking the Mc's off the front of their names because they couldn't get jobs. they were white as white gets...but it didn't matter. they had a culture all their own...as did the italians...as did the french....as did the english...etc.

    Europe has fought one bloody war after another....they've hardly united over culture. In truth, they've only now united in Europe because they were tired of kicking the crap out of one another.
     
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    Especially funny since the "Aryan race" bit was made up in the 19th century in an attempt to bring Europeans closer to Classical Greek lineage. Aryans were not white you ignorant rednecks.
     
  20. rhadamanthus

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    Kill whitey, obviously.

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