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Has there been a championship team built like this Rockets team before?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hikanoo49, Mar 8, 2020.

  1. hikanoo49

    hikanoo49 Member

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    I am a strong believer of learning from others and was thinking about how other past championship teams were built and it primarily consisted of the following models:

    1. Built Around the Draft (Most Common)

    - Championship teams like Golden State, Spurs, Bulls all had relatively high lottery picks and were fortunate within a time span of a several years to draft a couple super stars and solid players

    2. Super Team (Not Common)

    - This would be like the Miami Heat with Lebron, Bosh, Wade or Celtics with Garnett, Allen, Pierce. Team had massive cap flexiblity and all the stars aligned for them to pull it off.

    3. Existing team of solid players and adding a Top Tier Free Agent (very uncommon)

    - A team like Toronto (picking up Leonard) or Lebrons second tenure with Cavs would fall in this category


    With that all said, our current Rockets are NOT any of the above. I think Morey is great and he has the play the hand that he has been dealt with but if you think of our "model", it is very unique:

    - None of our key players were from our own draft (Harden, Russ, Gordon, Covington (we traded for him), Tucker, Rivers, Green etc.

    - We have alot of veteran type players and stars with big salaries

    - We have salary cap issues and only way to avoid this is to have young players and hope they perform and contribute prior to their big increase

    So from that context, Morey and our team is doing their best of making the most of Harden/Westbrook etc. but the path we took to be a chip contender is not a common or proven one.
     
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    nope and never will
     
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    Morley playing 3D chess

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    Well Rockets are barely a HCA playoff team let alone a championship team lol
     
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    OP, look these have been mentioned many times here and media analysts everywhere. No need to rehash them. It's not about who's right. BELIEVE! Midseason change and all, they deserve to have a little bit more time figure it out. You don't think you should give them at least 10 more games after the fabulous run in Feb?
     
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    How many loser teams in each category?
    Many teams have alot of draft picks only to have them poached by bigger better teams .-- Most of these that go on to championships
    have several things in common . . . .. -- High level talent evaluators and then hall of fame coaches.
    Jerry West/Pops/Phil Jackson -- remove them from those teams and they never get it done
    (Jordan's bull did not win until Jackson)
    Golden state wanted to traid Klay for .. . Kevin Love or some such
    Spurs Tanked to get Duncan

    Super Team is a recent thing and salary cap kind of works against it
    the NBA seems to be doing more to deter it .

    3 is by far the way of the future . . but with the NBA raising barriers it may not be as easy

    3 and 2 are very similar

    Rocket River
     
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    You really do not see the similarities between KG-Ray Allen-Pierce team and the Rockets? They were built very much the same way through trades?

    You are very passive aggressive and duplicitous.
     
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    First off, they have a "Big 3" and we have a "Big 2". Given cap issues as mentioned, it is impossible for us to pick up a 3rd star which as you know makes a huge difference.

    Secondly, Celtics had some good internal low cost young starters/key contributors whom they drafted which partly enabled them to pay for the "Big 3" like Rondo and Perkins. Our role players are more journey men, stop gap solutions at the tale end of their careers.
     
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    So you are looking for EXACT comparisons?

    Then why clump Lebron's Heat teams with KG Celtics teams?

    Heat were 3 superstars in prime plus cheap vet role players, not even ONE young drafted player worth a damn, like Rondo.

    Big 3 for Rockets in 2017-2018 was Harden-CP3-Capela with EGo coming off bench providing instant offense. Capela was home grown talent.

    This season Rockets Big 3 are Harden-Westbrook-Covington. EGo has not been as effective this season, team lacks any real help off the bench. However McLemore is former lottery pick who is having renaissance this year with Rockets.

    Roles players around current big 3 are lacking. House and maybe even Tucker are not championship level starters.
     
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    Difference is that you bundled Capela and Covington as part of a "Big 3"

    Both are role players

    Other big 3s have all stars/future hall of famers
     
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    Was Chris Bosh a HOFer?

    I think you mean All Star, because none of those players were HOFers yet.

    Even KG just went into HOF recently. Barkley was giving him a hard time about not being in HOF a while back.

    And Big 3 refers to a triumvirate that produces at an elite level. Harden-CP3-Capela had an unbelievable win rate when all 3 were healthy and were on floor together.

    Harden-Westbrook-Covington had a great start but have recently had a slump. Sample size still too small, but fans like you overreact and blame our top 3 players but if you dig deeper it is the complementary players around them that are lacking.
     
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    Bosh is definitely a HOF candidate and very well can be

    If you think Covington is on the same level as Bosh, we just need to agree to disagree

    What is special about those "Big 3" teams is they literally have 3 franchise cornerstone/MAX player types on 1 team which is extremely difficult as you know given salary cap issues.
     
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    Warriors are great drafters, and built their first Championship team through the draft. That team wouldn't have gotten more rings without a certain free agent sssssnake.
     
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    Chris Bosh numbers with Heat & Lebron

    2010–11 Miami 77 77 36.3 .496 .240 .815 8.3 1.9 .8 .6 18.7
    2011–12† Miami 57 57 35.2 .487 .286 .821 7.9 1.8 .9 .8 18.0
    2012–13† Miami 74 74 33.2 .535 .284 .798 6.8 1.7 .9 1.4 16.6
    2013–14 Miami 79 79 32.0 .516 .339 .820 6.6 1.1 1.0 1.0 16.2

    Far from HOF production. Capela averaged almost 2 blocks and and double digit rebounds his last 3 season with 7 games this season with 20 rebounds. And PPG was not significantly different.

    Seriously just try to do your due diligence first before posting.

    Bosh may get in HOF due to his All Star years in TOR or his championship rings from playing two true superstars in Lebron and DWade but he will not get in HOF based on his production with Heat during Big 3 period.
     
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    Uh, no.
     
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