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Harden's Last Season vs Hakeem's MVP Season

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Apr 30, 2016.

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Better season?

  1. Hakeem - NBA MVP,DPOY, Finals MVP (Clutchfans named after the season)

    126 vote(s)
    74.1%
  2. Harden - players voted mvp

    44 vote(s)
    25.9%
  1. Briand2714

    Briand2714 Member

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    let the facts speak for themselves

    93-94 Hakeem Olajuwon (Team 58-24, 1st in MVP Voting, DPOY)

    PPG-RPG-APG-SPG-BPG

    27.3-11.9-3.6-1.6-3.7

    52.8 FG%

    TS% 56.5
    PER 25.3
    Ortg 109
    Drtg 95
    Net Rating +14
    WS 14.3
    WS/48 .210
    BPM 7.0
    VORP 7.5



    14-15 James Harden (Team 56-26, 2nd in MVP Voting, Player's MVP)

    PPG-RPG-APG-SPG-BPG

    27.4-5.7-7.0-1.9-0.7

    44 FG% 37.5 3P%

    TS% 60.5
    PER 26.7
    Ortg 118
    Drtg 103
    Net Rating +15
    WS 16.4 (franchise record)
    WS/48 .265
    BPM 8.4
    VORP 7.8
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Here is the best case scenario for your argument: "Harden is by a hair had a better offensive season. Hakem had almost an equal offensive season his MVP year along with being THE BEST DEFENDER IN THE NBA while Harden is one of the worst".

    Tell me which would you rather have? A marginally better offensive player with horrible defense or a marginally worse offensive player that is one of the greatest defenders of all time?

    And that's with giving you the notion that Harden had a marginally better offensive year and entirely discounting era, the positions they played and pace.
     
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  4. Briand2714

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    Do you know what Net Rating is? look whose is higher
     
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    93-94 Hakeem Olajuwon vs 14-15 James Harden

    PPG Harden > Hakeem

    RPG Hakeem > Harden

    APG Harden > Hakeem

    SPG Harden > Hakeem

    BPG Hakeem > Harden

    FG% Hakeem > Harden

    TS% Harden > Hakeem

    PER Hardern > Hakeem

    Ortg Harden > Hakeem

    Drtg Hakeem > Harden

    Net Rating Harden > Hakeem

    WS Harden > Hakeem

    WS/48 Harden > Hakeem

    BPM Harden > Hakeem

    VORP Harden > Hakeem
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    TS%

    James Harden 60.5%
    Hakeem Olajuwon 55.3%


    Career Avg. Offensive Rating

    James Harden 117
    Hakeem Olajuwon 108

    Career High Offensive Rating

    James Harden 125
    Hakeem Olajuwon 114


    Career Avg. Offensive Box Plus Minus

    James Harden 5.4
    Hakeem Olajuwon 1.1

    Career High Offensive Box Plus Minus

    James Harden 7.4
    Hakeem Olajuwon 3.0


    Career Avg. Offensive Win Shares

    James Harden 8.2
    Hakeem Olajuwon 3.8

    Career High Offensive Win Shares

    James Harden 12.2
    Hakeem Olajuwon 7.9
     
  8. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    And now you are going to resort to career numbers when Harden is currently in his prime and Hakeem's numbers include his geriatric years?

    Another thing here is that you are COMPLETELY IGNORING ERA.
    You are a joke.
     
  9. Briand2714

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    Harden couldn't even peaked yet, so he also gets some disadvantage

    Also, Hakeem's career high can't beat Harden's
     
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    Hakeem became much better player after age 30, but it's not like he was always that good. When Hakeem was Harden's age, you couldn't say Hakeem was definitively much better.

    Harden has been voted as 2nd in MVP when he was 25.

    Hakeem only came 2nd in MVP when he was 30.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    Harden has peaked. It was his 2014-2015 year. Let's place a bet.

    Harden's 2nd place MVP voting in 14-15 will be his highest peak in MVP voting. Let's return back 4 years from now.
     
  12. Briand2714

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    yes, obviously you're a nostradamus
     
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    Hakeem at age 25 was still an elite defender along with being an elite scoring center.

    Harden at best is an elite offensive sg with being an atrocious defender. Defense is 50% of the game.

    Could you imagne if Harden excerted the same amount of enerfy that Hakeem did on both ends? The out of shape asthmatic Harden would faint.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    I have evidence to back it up. Harden from age 25 to 26 has gotten worse. He's become slower and less efficient.
     
  15. ibm

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    thanks, tinman, for exposing this tool...
     
  16. Briand2714

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    Present one solid evidence Harden is 'the worst defender' in history as you keep saying. I dare you.
     
  17. Briand2714

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    nah, it's just the beginning
     
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    So telling once a bet is involved who really believes in what they're truly saying. Already knew he would avoid this when I read it
     
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    0.7 defensive difference on/off.

    wow, what an atrocious defender
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Ya, it's the beginning of him turning into the Zach Randolph of shooting guards growing a pair of man boobs.

    The odds of Harden having moobs by age 30?
     

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