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Harden disinterested and at half court when Chris ran the offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LosPollosHermanos, May 25, 2019.

  1. davidxhz

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    right on point, harden as number 1 will never lead us anywhere, we need some one else to lead, if CP3 does not want to take that role, we need to find someone who wants to
     
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  2. rocketchamp

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    Can you explain this with examples of superstars quitting like Harden? Thanks
     
  3. rocketchamp

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    Wait, huh? You're celebrating somebody who QUIT on his team when it counted, yet accusing ME of liking moral victories? Lol. You guys are different types of fans smh


    Rockets team's have always generally played hard, that's why TRUE Rocket fans appreciate them. Not sure what you guys are
     
  4. TEXNIFICENT

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    What's with this play hard crap? Who gives a damn, no one will remember how hard you tried in the pros. You either win or lose in pro sports. "No try hard "trophies dude.
    His team lost. Harden's team wasn't better than the Warriors.
    So Harden is the only player in the West whose responsibility was to beat Golden St.?
     
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  5. Easy

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    You keep saying that. But tell me which is easier to achieve:

    1. Get enough talents to out play the Warriors.
    2. Ask Harden to be more engaged while he doesn't have the ball.

    You sounds like a pampering parent when his boy keeps messing up. Instead of telling the kid to stop doing the wrong thing, you keep saying, "Oh, everybody messes up, right? He's just a baby. He's so adorable. What would we do without him?"
     
  6. RudyTBag

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    36-7-7...

    Harden carries us closer than any player has ever carried anyone against KD GSW.

    Truly, EG and Tucker were the only dudes that showed up aside from Harden. To beat GSW Harden needs a hell of a lot more help than that.
     
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    Harden deserves pampering for dragging us out of the 14 seed single-handedly, and then dropping 36-7-7 on GSW in the playoffs while CP3 and Clint were complete no-shows.

    Realistically, I don’t understand how super human you guys want James Harden to be. He is so consistently ridiculous that now we just nitpick minuscule details of his game we don’t like. Dude was putting up GOAT playoff numbers with good defense. What more do you want? Sure, let him walk down the court occasionally. Get someone that can take advantage of a 4 on 4 If CP3 can’t do it.
     
  8. Easy

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    I don't understand why asking him to stand at the 3pt line instead of behind the ball is asking him to be super human. What kind of professional athlete is he not having enough energy to walk a few steps up in a few plays not designed for him to handle the ball?

    We are not asking him to score 10 more points per game. It is something very simple and very easily achievable. Why do you Harden apologists keep saying that it's too much to ask?
     
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    Eric was invisible in the final game of the series sadly after being so great for the two wins. CP3 finally showed up in game six but sadly the other guys didn't hit their shots.
     
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  10. DaDakota

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    Because they are afraid of the truth.

    DD
     
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    DD has seen the truth, and the truth is Dan Langhi... :rolleyes:
     
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    As long as there is someone defending him, the further away from the basket the better.
     
  13. rocketchamp

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    Stop there. THIS is the difference between Die Hard Rocket fans vs new age NBA 2K fanatics who only follow players. You don't know the big deal in guys competing hard & actually TRYING? Is your brain that fried off video games you don't see the value in effort? You're a lot stupider than I thought
     
  14. don grahamleone

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    The real truth is that 4 on 4 basketball favors the offense. Harden creates 4 on 4 matchups when he sags towards the half-court line. This is not the first time he's employed this strategy. I question your memory if you don't remember him doing this successfully against other squads. The Warriors individual and team defense is the issue. You can't fault players or coaches for throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. That's life. You know that. That is the truth. Don't be afraid of it. We all have to do that when we shoot for the stars.
     
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    Try-hard champ:

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    We did that to start the season. We started 11-14. We were not going to be in any kind of position to use a well-rested Harden!
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Ahh the old can’t attack the message so hit the messenger.

    Weak assed attempt.

    DD
     
  18. Mathloom

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    You gave a great example. What you don't understand here is that the f'ing boy is an A student with no support while you are comparing him to a valedictorian who has 6 tutors.

    Yes, in that scenario, get off the boy's nuts. Get him help instead of clap-clapping him incessantly.

    As for your 2 scenarios, I see #1 as difficult and #2 as totally impossible. We spend less than every other contenders 2nd to 14th players, including ones that have star players on salary restricted deals. There's an easily improvable area.

    Do you really think that is more difficult than:

    Please average 30+ppg, 6+ reb, 6+ assists, bring defense in the playoffs, be efficient, do this to a level that the entire media that doesn't necessarily love you considers you an MVP candidate year in and year out...

    Oh and also now fix the 1% of plays and beat a dynasty.

    That's literally insane. No superstar, no matter which one you like would accept that that flaw be characterized as the reason we have not won a championship. No way, no how. All the champions you love have shown their team the middle finger for less.

    The only possible explanation for why Harden is here is he is an actual Rockets fan. Only irrational fanhood like ours could possess him to watch his contemporaries win rings by colluding with other stars while he sits here and gets chided by an organization that has not done as much as those organizations and now want to vilify him for this flaw.

    It's extraordinary small picture thinking. Harden can be a giant part of the solution to winning a title, and if he corrects the flaw you're talking about he would become a flawless player. There have been no flawless players in history. No one has needed a flawless player to win a title. Harden has never needed anyone's criticism in order to continue improving and coming back better.

    This a 36ppg MVP candidate - voted by the media - we're talking about. Even if he can't bring it for 5% of the playoffs, he can win a title with an equivalent supporting cast to those who have won it. He outperforms his salary, which is among the highest in the NBA. This organization has a giant building block towards a title and instead of recognizing that you are asking why we can't ride him harder and see him take us further than anyone has taken a team in recent memory.

    He's not. He's just not Hakeem. He's not Dirk. He's not those guys. This is what he is. Can you win a title with him? Because there are several teams who can. Do you want this piece?
     
  19. jordnnnn

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    I’m trying to recall a single stance you have planted your flag in that has been right.

    All the white boys, AB, Morey, countless Harden takes.....

    Better track record and they’d have no basis to attack the messenger.
     
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    Wait, 4 on 4? Have you actually seen a defender go to the mid court to defend Harden when he doesn't have the ball? If that's the case, nobody would say anything. The truth is, we play 4 on 5 when Harden is not engaged.
     

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