Harden And The Top Scorers In The League Assisted and Unassisted FGs

Harden is like Carmelo in his prime.

 

That proved nothing. Chicken or the egg argument. Yeah of course if an NBA player is playing with YMCA talent then it's gonna be 100% unassisted, but that's not a realistic situation.

Players like to play a certain way. Kyrie prefers the ISO. It's not just that "he has the freedom" to do so, he also likes to score that way. He's better as a guy who dribbles to create his own shot than a guy who creates for others or moves without he ball.

He has freaking LeBron James on his team! And you still want to say it's because of personnel around him that keeps his unassisted fg% high

 

You're cutting Melo way short here, there was a period of 4-5 years where Melo was one of the best 5-10 players in the NBA, at least offensively.

Carmelo is definitely not a one dimensional scorer. Thats ridiculous. You don't score 30 points being one dimensional in the NBA. He's was probably one of the most well-rounded players offensively of the last 10 years, definitely more versatile than Harden's scoring -- which consists of pull up 3s, drives to the hoop, and step back jumpers.

The one point you have is that Harden is a better passer, but they play different positions.


My point is they're both extremely elite one way players who cared more about fame and money than actually doing what it takes to win championships. You just hope Harden figures it out before he's on the downside of his career on a different team.

 

If that is your point, then your point is stupid.

 

steph curry is a 1 way player, but he is friends with lin. So of course its no big deal with him

 

Here you go. % volume of shots from whatever distance. If anything, Harden is way more one dimensional than Carmelo (40% of his shots are 3s).. Carmelo scores more at the Rim than Harden basically his entire career.

Carmelo



Harden

 

Man, you lost me right there. I am no Melo fan. But he's a one dimensional scorer? He's just an all-star?

You Harden apologists will do everything to discredit any player compared to Harden just to prop your boy up.

 

I don't think him believing harden is a better player than Melo is trying to prop one guy over another.

The numbers from team wins to offesnive win shares and PER pretty much show that harden is better and has def had a better 4 year run than any 4 year run in Melos career.

With all that said melo is a stud and HOF player he's def a superstar 3 years ago. He's slowed down but he's still a very good player that I would love to play with hsrden right now.

I think Melos game was always better suited as a number 2 option thas why he always played so well in the Olympics often times leading the team in scoring because he can absolute fill it up when it's just catch and shoot or one dribble pull ups with defesinve players scrambling.

Harden for whatever ppl think of him has the game and skill set of a legit number 1 option on offense I don't think that can really be disputed. Now leadership and defense is another thing but offensively he has the whom package from scoring everywhere on the court and getting his teamates easy buckets.

I think the one thing that's different is harden could actually be really good at defense is he tried harder (prayers) were as melo never had the abilty to be more than avg on that end. Harden is big strong athletic with really long arms. Ppl talk about his lateral quickness and very but his very at the combine was 37in and his shuttle times were on par with dwade. It's all mental for him there's no way that Klay thompson is quicker than harden and he's a very solid defdnder overrated yes but very good non the less. Harden should atleast be that good if not better because he has better basktball instincts

 

None of my comments are petty. And who the heck you suppose to be. If you don't agree to something I said, just disagree. But I'm not going to tell you some nonsense like that because I doesn't agree with the things you've stated.


Larsv chill out dude.

My thing is if we were all hanging out at a bar or something, Dude wouldn't calling any body's comment petty. And you wouldn't be telling that man his comment was stupid. If you wouldn't say that in person then why in the world are you doing that on the Internet.

 

Harden needs to be better on D and in leadership everyone knows this we can't dispute it.

But we're did this notion that he's a bad teammate or doesn't care about winning come from. Dudes been a winner and good teammate every were he's played and also down what it takes to win right or wrong? He could have started in OKC Brooks said he asked if he wanted to but he still decided to come off the bench for the better purpose of the team. He tried to make it work with ty Lawson early on but it just wasn't working.

Get him a mike Conley throw the max at him and lets see how harden does. Conely is not even a supertsar but he would help out so much and give harden less work and easier positions to do what he does best and that's score the basketball.

The rockets need to be all in on getting Conley and horford and creating a big 3 with those guys.

You got harden you mvp guy Conley who's a top 25 player maybe 20 and one of the better PGs in the game and then horford who's another top 20 player who's also one of the best bigs in the league.

Add Ariza Bev beasley DMO? Capela Kj and that's a very strong core with major room for growth and improvmet thru trade or FA signing next year.

 

You're still missing the point that Kyrie gets unassisted field goals because he's good at it. Personnel doesn't matter.

Yes Harden carries a big load, that's a separate topic. Even if he carried less of a load he wouldn't just magically get 50% assisted field goals.

Why did OKC bring Harden off the bench? Because he's better with the ball. Having him play off the ball with Westbrook didn't make sense because he's much more valuable with the ball.

 

two easy questions for all Harden haters who refuse to admit that the rockets players and coaching staff around harden are pure garbage that harden had the biggest burden out of all the stars (except for lebron) this season:

1) name a player (or more if you can) aside from Lebron who you can switch Harden with straight up last season and can get the Rockets more wins?

2) if the best player or one of the best players on each NBA team sits out last season, would the rockets had more wins, the same # of wins, less wins, or the last 3 in # of wins.

 

No one is arguing that he has teammates who can create.

The Rockets are designed as a team with defenders surrounding Harden. That's how it worked out after we got rid of Parsons and Lin. No one is arguing otherwise.

While the unassisted thing is affected a bit by that, it's more affected by the individual player. His last year at OKC he still had 65% unassisted.